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18 Jul 2013, 3:46 am

^ Same here. I've never been offically diagnosed, it's just been mentioned several times by pretty much everyone I see. Most of the doctors think I'm bipolar II, but some think I have some sort of depression. I have a "Mood disorder NOS" diagnosis at the moment. I never seem to be able to relate to the stories I see of people spending thousands on a spending spree, or flying off to Chile to save the world. I don't even know if I'm AS, and I'm not going to ask for an assessment since the mental health team is already frustrating enough as it is, and from I've heard, there isn't much in the adult service to help adults with AS that was mild enough to not have been noticed in childhood.

Still, there's one thing I know. Antidepressants make my mood change really really quickly. Like, several times a day. It's horrible.

I wouldn't say that bipolar or whatever this is makes me more intelligent. More creative in my "ups" and more able to focus, but not more intelligent.



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18 Jul 2013, 5:09 pm

Raziel wrote:
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I believe the researchers know the difference between emotional dysregulation and mania and depression, as it's not only autism and bipolar that features emotional dysregulation so they might not diagnose it based on that alone. It might be underdiagnosed precisely because people think it can be explained as emotional dysregulation.


If it would be that clear, it wouldn't be that highly controversal and also autism experts like Tony Attwood do primarily behavioural therapy with such children. I don't think that the answer is all black or white and that easy to answer.

The Misdiagnosis of Bipolar Disorder in Children with Autism and Other Developmental Disabilities
DISRUPTIVE MOOD DYSREGULATION DISORDER
ASD, a psychiatric disorder, or both? Psychiatric diagnoses in adolescents with high-functioning ASD.

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As you know for a long time there were some restrictions on what they thought autistics should/could have for comorbids - and autistics obviously have a lot of comorbids. It's good that they are realizing that. It's bad that you got misdiagnosed, but acknowledging that many autistics are bipolar might lead to less misdiagnoses if that combination gets researched more?


No in my case this had other reasons. I've also transsexualism and was missdiagnosed within 5 minutes with Borderline PD because of my "gender issues", but now I'm rediagnosed wit transsexualism from several experts and already had my surgery and name change and so on. I just mentioned it, because it also happened in an autism study and not everthing what is published in studies is true. It's just a personal opinion of the researchers and if psychiatry would be that opjective, we wouldn't have such a huge controversal in some areas.
And to Bipolar and ASD: I think we need a lot more research in this area. I personaly don't know if I've Bipolar or not. At the moment I'm just diagnosed with depression. But I guess, I've too much stress anyway at the moment to be 100% sure in my case. Sometimes I think I have it, sometimes I think I don't.



I didn't say that all autistics are bipolar, or that you are. I don't believe that we should be superskeptical to all studies like that (thought yes, the quick diagnosis thing is not as good as a thorough diagnosis) because you were mistreated. We can still guess which direction research points at, even if we don't believe that the accurate diagnosis rate is 100%. Maybe they should ask the participants if they agree with the diagnosis in the future?
We're just worried about misdiagnosis for similar but different reasons - I was misdiagnosed with major depressive disorder as a kid. I'm a lot more worried for those that are bipolar and get misdiagnosed than I am for those that are depressed and gets misdiagnosed. Most misdiagnosed depressed people are not forced to take meds, so not giving the misdiagnosed bipolar person at least the option to get meds/treatment/whatever and an explanation of bipolar is worse IMHO. But most do get the right diagnosis when they actually need treatment, so I guess it is ok anyway. I don't know how common misdiagnosis is either.



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18 Jul 2013, 5:30 pm

Otherside, they didn't say that it makes you more intelligent, just that many intelligent people are affected. They also said that there are intelligent people that aren't bipolar.



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19 Jul 2013, 2:33 am

Anomiel wrote:
I didn't say that all autistics are bipolar, or that you are.


Well, I never thought you thought that all autistics are bipolar.

The one study who is linked in this thread somewere, claiming that bipolar is the most common mood disorder of people with ASD is the only study who claims that. There is no other study who came to this conclution. Besides that I just know studies who showed a genetic connection, but how many autistics really have Bipolar in addition isn't really clear yet, also many autism rechearchers think that this combination is overdiagnosed, especially in children.


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21 Jul 2013, 12:36 pm

I don't know this is PC to say but I've heard the opposite. After all, my IQ is definitely below my family's median. And I'm bipolar spectrum as well as autistic spectrum.

I've heard an older theory that there were two types of people - cyclothymic and schizothymic - cyclothymic being high sex hormone, more petite and curvy gals, more mesomorphic bulky guys who hit puberty earlier - and schizothymic being late maturing and lanky / androgynous. Of course cyclothymic would be correlated with the bipolar end, and schizothymic with schizophrenia, but one take-away from this theory is that schizothymes have higher IQs while cyclothymes have higher "emotional intelligence".

My theory may be that bipolar-tendency folks tend to be more *creative* but not really be known for super-high processing speed. As in, thinking sideways rather than forward-and-back.



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21 Jul 2013, 12:45 pm

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I've heard an older theory that there were two types of people - cyclothymic and schizothymic - cyclothymic being high sex hormone, more petite and curvy gals, more mesomorphic bulky guys who hit puberty earlier - and schizothymic being late maturing and lanky / androgynous. Of course cyclothymic would be correlated with the bipolar end, and schizothymic with schizophrenia, but one take-away from this theory is that schizothymes have higher IQs while cyclothymes have higher "emotional intelligence".


This is highly interesting, because I fit the description of schizothym and belief since a while that I've mild bipolar and schizotypal symptoms.

Do you have a link? Just because I would like to read more about it. :)


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25 Jul 2013, 4:14 am

Anomiel wrote:
Otherside, they didn't say that it makes you more intelligent, just that many intelligent people are affected. They also said that there are intelligent people that aren't bipolar.


Okay, my apologies. I'm taking things like that a bit sensitively at the moment, I'm going through a pretty tough time right now with my own bipolar.