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ADHD OCD and ASD cannot be comorbid if the science is right
I meant all 3 in the same person
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binaryodes wrote:
I meant all 3 in the same person
It's still a lot more common.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20039111
Autism and ADHD symptoms in patients with OCD: are they associated with specific OC symptom dimensions or OC symptom severity?
In obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), the relationship between autism spectrum disorders (ASD), attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) symptom, and obsessive-compulsive (OC) symptom dimensions and severity has scarcely been studied. Therefore, 109 adult outpatients with primary OCD were compared to 87 healthy controls on OC, ADHD and ASD symptoms. OCD patients showed increased ADHD and autism symptom frequencies, OCD + ADHD patients reporting more autism symptoms (particularly attention switching and social skills problems) than OCD - ADHD patients. Attention switching problems were most significant predictors of OC symptom dimensions (except hoarding) and of symptom severity. Hoarding was not associated with elevated autism scale scores, but with inattention. In conclusion, attention switching problems may reflect both symptom overlap and a common etiological factor underlying ASD, ADHD and OCD.
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Buyer Beware wrote:
Being a self-aware Aspie, if one desires strongly to learn to fit in and be accepted (say, if one is motivated by fears for the safety of one's family, or terrified of being placed on some register of untermenschen) is ENOUGH to cause one to begin-- willfully and deliberately-- to develop symptoms of OCD
http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/11/0 ... -deficits/
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"Last June, scientists led by Menon, published research demonstrating hyperconnectivity in the brains of children with autism and showing that at least five major brain networks were hyperconnected. They were able to discern associations between some of the networks and certain behavioral traits.
Supekar also wrote, “Our findings suggest that from early ages the brains of individuals with autism develop differently from their neurotypical peers, and this atypical development might contribute to the observed atypical social behavior that is a core characteristic of the disorder.”
These study results may prove useful for diagnosing – and perhaps someday even treating – autism. Currently autism is diagnosed purely on behavioral criteria.
- See more at: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/11/0 ... fa5Mi.dpuf"
Supekar also wrote, “Our findings suggest that from early ages the brains of individuals with autism develop differently from their neurotypical peers, and this atypical development might contribute to the observed atypical social behavior that is a core characteristic of the disorder.”
These study results may prove useful for diagnosing – and perhaps someday even treating – autism. Currently autism is diagnosed purely on behavioral criteria.
- See more at: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/11/0 ... fa5Mi.dpuf"
I agree with Buyer Beware, in that there is not a definitive answer yet, much more research is needed.
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"The human voice is a very important sound; it not only conveys meaning but also provides critical emotional information to a child," said Daniel Abrams, PhD, a postdoctoral scholar in psychiatry and behavioral sciences who was the study's lead author. Insensitivity to the human voice is a hallmark of autism, Abrams said, adding, "We are the first to show that this insensitivity may originate from impaired reward circuitry in the brain."..." The findings also help resolve a long-standing debate about why individuals with autism show less-than-normal interest in human voices. The team investigated two competing theories to explain the phenomenon: that individuals with autism have a deficit in their social motivation, or, alternatively, that they have sensory-processing deficits which impair their ability to fully hear human voices. The new study found normal connections between voice-selective cortex and primary auditory brain regions in children with high-functioning autism, suggesting that these children do not have sensory-processing deficits." - See more at: http://med.stanford.edu/ism/2013/june/a ... NOJKv.dpuf
Raziel wrote:
binaryodes wrote:
I meant all 3 in the same person
It's still a lot more common.
edit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20039111
Autism and ADHD symptoms in patients with OCD: are they associated with specific OC symptom dimensions or OC symptom severity?
In obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), the relationship between autism spectrum disorders (ASD), attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) symptom, and obsessive-compulsive (OC) symptom dimensions and severity has scarcely been studied. Therefore, 109 adult outpatients with primary OCD were compared to 87 healthy controls on OC, ADHD and ASD symptoms. OCD patients showed increased ADHD and autism symptom frequencies, OCD + ADHD patients reporting more autism symptoms (particularly attention switching and social skills problems) than OCD - ADHD patients. Attention switching problems were most significant predictors of OC symptom dimensions (except hoarding) and of symptom severity. Hoarding was not associated with elevated autism scale scores, but with inattention. In conclusion, attention switching problems may reflect both symptom overlap and a common etiological factor underlying ASD, ADHD and OCD.
Ah what im seeing here would appear to be challenge my initial assumption. Its not clear whether they are referring to the full blown condition or elements from these conditions. I think that the three may only occur piecemeal that is its rare for an individual to have full blown ADHD OCD and Aspergers. They will however present with elements of each
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binaryodes wrote:
Ah what im seeing here would appear to be challenge my initial assumption. Its not clear whether they are referring to the full blown condition or elements from these conditions. I think that the three may only occur piecemeal that is its rare for an individual to have full blown ADHD OCD and Aspergers. They will however present with elements of each
I know ppl who have all three disorders officially dx.
I find it very strange that you make such an assumption when psychiatrists say that all disorders can occour together and you try to comprimise those disorders to a singular problem in the brain when it's far more complex than that.
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Raziel wrote:
binaryodes wrote:
Ah what im seeing here would appear to be challenge my initial assumption. Its not clear whether they are referring to the full blown condition or elements from these conditions. I think that the three may only occur piecemeal that is its rare for an individual to have full blown ADHD OCD and Aspergers. They will however present with elements of each
I know ppl who have all three disorders officially dx.
I find it very strange that you make such an assumption when psychiatrists say that all disorders can occour together and you try to comprimise those disorders to a singular problem in the brain when it's far more complex than that.
Ah you're misunderstanding me. I did say that I suspect that I would be diagnosed with all three. I dont however have all the traits for ADHD. Im primarily innatentive with very little impulsivity. My OCD is also very sporadic though ive had it since I was a child. Asperger's wise alot of traits have emerged in the past 10 years which I believe is due to extreme stress. Im using myself as a model. What im saying is that its unlikely that youll find 90%+ symptomology for all 3 in 1 person. Ive redressed my belief that its impossible.
I admit too that given the parallelism in the brain as well as the complkexity of its connections its extremely unlikely that these pervasive disorders have a single cause. They probably do have a common link - that is once our scanning technologies advance we should be able to start to identify a neural signature ofr each condition whetherit be hyperconnectivity a lack of grey matter or an abundance of grey matter in key areas related to the condition in question.
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Eruzin wrote:
I just want to point out that it's rare for someone diagnosed with AS or ADD/ADHD or OCD, etc to present ALL the symptoms of the condition. Most of us present a fair chunk, but not very often will we show ALL of them.
Yeah, most have a view symptoms of ASD and some others of other conditions.
A friend of mine is EXTREME OCD and also extreme AS.
In my case my diagnostic picture looks more like an abstract painting.
I've HFA on the milder end, ADD, I've also a tic disorder and also schizotypal and clearly paranoid tendencies oh and of course I'm transgender and as a child I was dyslexic.
Diagnostic pictures like mine are actually very common. But most just get dx with one or two severe things that fit's best.
Diagnosis are a bit made up, this explains why most have traits of several different (overlapping) disorders.
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Mrmisunderstood wrote:
I also have Aspergers with OCD and ADHD.
Me too but I'm not entirely sure about the ADHD because the symptoms might could be explained by other things. I know some OCD like symptoms are part of Aspergers but mine go beyond special interest, routines & perfectionism. I have intrusive thoughts that cause anxiety like about bad things happening to a girlfriend would suddenly pop in my head. A thought about something from my past like something bad I heard in a conversation or happened suddenly pops in my head & I have to go over it over & over again. I go over conversations I overheard from others or on TV over & over again. I get hung up on things I don't even care about like a need to DL pix & vids & organize them even thou I didn't care to look at them. I count things in my mind, I have a need to repeat things in my mind over & over again & it's stuff I don't even really care about but do it because it didn't feel rite the 1st time I said it. I sometime have an urge to touch things while passing them & have to then touch it with the other hand to make it even or if I touch 1 side of the wall in the hall while walking down I need to touch the other wall with my other hand because it wouldn't feel rite otherwise. I check things & double check them due to intrusive thoughts & urges. I'm trying to do something I like & I get these thoughts & urges that prevent me from concentrating & won't leave & cause anxiety till I give in & then it repeats.
This stuff is a lot better because I'm taking Neurontin now but I don't think that was part of Aspergers & think the OCD disorder fits it better than anything else.
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