The brilliantly ironic thing people say about suicide

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It was just an example. While, I've learned most of the things that I know by myself, one of the few things that I was taught is that no one cares about anybody, and that no one helps anybody-That no one will care.... Besides, it's just not that I've been told so; experience with people has shown me that too. So, it's just something that I accepted long time ago....I did not choose to keep everything to myself, but that's how it is.....Anyhow, I did learn that even if you try to tell something, people just won't care..... [quote] Hi guys, While I don't know any of you personally, I do come back to this forum time and time and time again, even thought here is the whole of he Internet to look at. The reason for that is that I find you (all) say something to be something worth saying; to be reasonable and rational and often uncluttered by the selfish emotional confusion of the rest of the world. I for one would definitely miss you if you are gone. [\quote] Frankly, if I was "gone", I don't think anybody would notice. Anyway, it's hard, but there's no other option than to have patience...... [quote] I don't know if there's any benefit to talking about the the bad stuff, maybe expressing how you feel makes you less likely to kill yourself, but it probably makes the person you're talking to more likely to kill themselves, that's been my experience anyway. [\quote] It doesn't matter if it's "bad stuff" , "neutral stuff", or "good stuff". No one could care less about what I think, and all that- I've been told this too so many times that I've lost the count-. And, you know, it's true. So, why to bother trying to tell to someone something if no one will care?

I care about people and I've experienced others caring about me, so this is just not true

I see what both of you are saying, there is a good chance people wont give a damn if you tell them your troubles unforunately it is true much of the time......But I suppose that is why when I feel suicidal I check myself into the psych ward, if no one outside will listen, hopefully some mental health professional will listen and try to help. I just hate how society encourages people to keep this crap to themselves, maybe things would change for the better if people would talk about it, reach out to others with simular difficulties and try to find real solutions thins could improve in this society and perhaps societies all over the planet. I just find it sad and disturbing that people really dont give a damn about their fellow humans in suffering.

Just because it doesn't happen to you, it doesn't make it not true. What has happened to me it's not what you've experienced. So, it's not false. I haven't experienced what you have experienced. . Yeah, I've always been encouraged to keep everything to myself..... And, whenever I've tried to tell something.... It didn't go well and I've felt bad and ashamed for telling....I've had too many unpleasant experiences with people and I've learnt that people cannot be trusted.... Too much of abuse and mistreatment..... So, the only thing that I can do is to keep a distance from people. And, if I get a reply to this one, I hope it doesn't get labeled as untrue again, because the pain I've got from such things is real.

I think people who haven't been suicidal don't realise that the feeling is so extremely overwhelming that it completely consumes you.

Yes, such bad feelings can be really overwhelming.

I've noticed this too people will try to guilt you into not committing suicide when it's guilt that's driving you to it in the first place.

You spoke as though all people that felt suicidal wouldn't have people who cared. I pointed out that this was not true.
And what I was trying to say was that people might FEEL like others don't care when actually they do. So in your situation people might have cared about you but you didn't feel it. I can't say that's definitely the case, but it's a possibility.

No. I was just saying all that the whole time from my experience. It doesn't include everybody in it... Even if two people do the same thing, they might perceive it differently, but just because they experience it differently doesn't make it untrue.
I know what you said, and I understood that. No, it wasn't the case for me, unfortunately.

Okay, well perhaps look at the phrasing of things to make sure it's clear that you're just talking about your own experiences then. For example:
"uh, well, suicidal people don't generally have an infinite amount of so-called 'loved ones'... or else why would they be suicidal?"

I guess you're right. Having nobody doesn't help when you're depressed.

I couldn't comment on whether you have nobody or you have somebody and just don't realise.

I can comment on that. It's the first option...I'd rather have the second, because then, it would just be a matter of realising....But, I'm very aware that there's nobody. The only ones that I had have been gone for....For a long time now. That's how it is.

I think the threadstarter maybe should gather informations about depression. Depression is physically an hormonal imbalance inside your brain. Because of certain brain chemistry not working anymore, you simply CANNOT feel happy anymore.

Causes for depression can be out of outern circumstances, like someone dying, burnout, ... just as well as simply have physical causes. Maybe you have luck and friends and families, that out of experience of luck, are able to help you out of it IF the depression is caused by outern circumstances, and not by physical ones, they cannot change.

But because of families and friends not beind professional therapists, not having studied treating these illnesses for years and practicing that, its simply weird to blame them, if they dont manage to help you professionally.

An depression is not simply helped by a friend coming by, and doing some jokes for you. That does not help you at all, if you dont sense any humour anymore. If you are not able to feel joy anymore, anyway about what, and may it ve a friend coming over you truly like. In the opposite, it might be even burdening more, because a friend or family that like you, will see you to be unhappy, and that will make him sad, and then in the end you as the person suffereing with depression, feel yourself responsible for making your friends and family sad, while technically truly appreciating the effort they do to make you happy again. And you sit there, seeing how much they DO care for you, but instead of becoming happier, all you feel inside is emptyness and the wish to be left alone, because all you want to break out is cry, and you want them to leave.

Depression is not about an excuse to seek attention, and that can simply be healed by others people attention. Some people might without purpose do the right kind of stuff, that might help you, but blaming them for not being professional doctors and depression-therapists, does not make sense.

I understood....Anyway, thanks, Alycat.

Last edited by Sherry221B on 09 Feb 2014, 6:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

I don't think you've quite understood. What Schneekugel is saying is that depression is not caused by having nobody around you - feeling you have nobody around you can be caused by depression.