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18 Jul 2024, 10:57 am

The angel on my shoulder is like a separate mental monologue that mostly spouts nonjudgmental patient and forgiving reasonings whenever I felt like I had to hit myself over...

.. Before it encourages me to get over my pride, be brave enough to cry or be humbled, don't resist so that it'll upset me or bottle it up.


Far, far removed from my escalating thoughts that tries to justify what I did as perceived wrong.

And far removed from the rigid mindset that may espouse denial or even my usual patterns of finding 'reasons why they did XYZ' as an attempt to 'forgive'.

Also, it does not 'conflict' against my processes.
Because if that were the case, I'd be overwhelmed in a sense that will make my head spin internally strongly enough to end up fogged and numbed due to overwork and overthink.



The weirdest thing is that...
... If someone else says the same things, or if I read it elsewhere even if it's me from another time, it just doesn't feel the same.

I'd end up judging that it's just them and what they'd do -- and not me. And end up doing the opposite or worse.

But not these thoughts.

I cannot simply judge that it is imposed by someone else's standards, else's biases, beliefs, perception, etc.

It came from my head after all.
More especially during such state.


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19 Jul 2024, 10:24 am

babybird wrote:
It's mad how trauma can make you completely forget who you are


Yes can recognize this better now.. If something trips my pattern recognition ..that might have been a lousey memory
it can be tough sometimes not yo go down the old pattern rabbit hole..And ftack down reasons to match previously crappy patterns ..It can be a fight .... And even turn a few days or weeks or ??. into crud . And even then if too caught up in the moment , or Pattern . It does affect my normally good pattern recognition, Life can be a handful even without other people around . :roll:


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19 Jul 2024, 10:29 am

Edna3362 wrote:
The angel on my shoulder is like a separate mental monologue that mostly spouts nonjudgmental patient and forgiving reasonings whenever I felt like I had to hit myself over...

.. Before it encourages me to get over my pride, be brave enough to cry or be humbled, don't resist so that it'll upset me or bottle it up.


Far, far removed from my escalating thoughts that tries to justify what I did as perceived wrong.

And far removed from the rigid mindset that may espouse denial or even my usual patterns of finding 'reasons why they did XYZ' as an attempt to 'forgive'.

Also, it does not 'conflict' against my processes.
Because if that were the case, I'd be overwhelmed in a sense that will make my head spin internally strongly enough to end up fogged and numbed due to overwork and overthink.



The weirdest thing is that...
... If someone else says the same things, or if I read it elsewhere even if it's me from another time, it just doesn't feel the same.

I'd end up judging that it's just them and what they'd do -- and not me. And end up doing the opposite or worse.

But not these thoughts.

I cannot simply judge that it is imposed by someone else's standards, else's biases, beliefs, perception, etc.

It came from my head after all.
More especially during such state.


Very good .. just the ability to step back from yourself or situation...can be a very advanced point of veiw,i (imho)


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19 Jul 2024, 6:15 pm

Jakki wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
The angel on my shoulder is like a separate mental monologue that mostly spouts nonjudgmental patient and forgiving reasonings whenever I felt like I had to hit myself over...

.. Before it encourages me to get over my pride, be brave enough to cry or be humbled, don't resist so that it'll upset me or bottle it up.


Far, far removed from my escalating thoughts that tries to justify what I did as perceived wrong.

And far removed from the rigid mindset that may espouse denial or even my usual patterns of finding 'reasons why they did XYZ' as an attempt to 'forgive'.

Also, it does not 'conflict' against my processes.
Because if that were the case, I'd be overwhelmed in a sense that will make my head spin internally strongly enough to end up fogged and numbed due to overwork and overthink.



The weirdest thing is that...
... If someone else says the same things, or if I read it elsewhere even if it's me from another time, it just doesn't feel the same.

I'd end up judging that it's just them and what they'd do -- and not me. And end up doing the opposite or worse.

But not these thoughts.

I cannot simply judge that it is imposed by someone else's standards, else's biases, beliefs, perception, etc.

It came from my head after all.
More especially during such state.


Very good .. just the ability to step back from yourself or situation...can be a very advanced point of veiw,i (imho)

It is a 'higher point of view' alright.

It's like... I don't know, a sage constantly whispering whenever I inquire of anything of any thought or feeling I go through.

Sometimes it argues back when I bug it;
"Go entertain yourself. You're bored. You've already known what you're asking yourself and you don't need further validation. You already had enough 'quiet time' and you're just spinning the same concepts with your mind with repeated inquiries. Or learn new things that you already don't know."


It doesn't validate my ego.
It makes my ego seen no matter how flattered or shamed.

My feelings and thoughts, known or denied, seen, not entertained or judged but questioned or inquire itself if rationally reflects facts or if it helps.


It is weird.
Because it's always there within reach regardless of what I feel or think.
I don't understand how it is not there when I was younger... It's not like I willed it or had a practice. It just pops up as an idea one day and then -- there.

It's meta.
It goes meta -- and in meta I reach out on instead of a helpless observer of thought and emotion, no longer a pinball bouncing over the bumps that is triggers and supplements grounding.


I think the first step is...
It looked and feel like a paradox; to remove all pressures yet not be complacent.

Like 'do your best, forgive self if not attained standards, take responsibility to any outcomes and learn from any mistakes known' made total sense in practice than some saying.



But seriously.
I really don't understand why I did not have it sooner.

Was it immaturity? Lack of readiness? A form of 'deafness' in thought? Internal self-bias? Louder pride and ego?


Is it normal in a sense it already exists as a function, more accessible to anyone of a healthier upbringing and I'm just wording it weirdly?

Or is it a product of a certain amount of experience in a person, and it unlocks an aspect of the mind in a developmental sense?


It doesn't feel like a 'skill'. But it encourages skill.
It's not even a 'mindset'. But it alters mindset in certain ways.
It's not even a 'perspective flip'. But it provides one or more.


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23 Jul 2024, 6:03 am

I think I therapised my shrink today


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24 Jul 2024, 3:21 pm

Goid job BB. , you could hope your therapist might give you a fiscount next time...Lolololz. :)


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26 Jul 2024, 3:08 pm

:lol:

It'll be the end of my treatment soon I think so we're just messing about

I was pretending to do the emdr on him


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26 Jul 2024, 10:26 pm

Congrats...on finishing up ....hope it stays with you for the best results :)


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27 Jul 2024, 1:20 pm

Thanks man

We're not totally finished yet but i know how much better I am


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28 Jul 2024, 9:35 am

Whenever someone assumes why I'm not interested in socializing meant 'I got hurt being rejected, I get afraid of rejection, I reject them before they reject me' spiel; then they're projecting or barking on the wrong tree... :lol:

And the reason why that annoys me, especially when some assume and thought I'm denying the 'need to be included' it's because that's what my mom assumed and took her years to realize that mistake after repeatedly saying NO to her.

If that were true in my case, I would've admitted it long time ago, along with admitting my big bloated ego.

I don't see anything shameful about such story, not especially when it's so common...

... It's just that it's just not the case with me.

The reality might be that I thought it's something I need or want in childhood.
But it's more like chasing an idea or a promise that doesn't fulfill me at all; it's like liking something because everyone does it, and realized that's not what I want or if I do it's not for the same reasons...


Like...
People socialize because they're lonely, crave human interaction and emotional connection.
I socialize because I'm bored as heck.

The former is a human social emotional need that is the second to third lower tier of the Maslow's pyramid of needs, somewhere at the deficient needs at the motivation model.
The latter is just a need for mental stimulation and entertainment at the second to the very top of Maslow's pyramid of needs, somewhere at growth needs at the motivation model.

We ain't the same. :?


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28 Jul 2024, 12:29 pm

My trouble is is that I wanna do everything all at once and I've got no patience to wait

My shrink said that my boredom threshold, impulse control and the fact I need instant gratification is like that if a 7 or 8 year old child

This is something I'm working on


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29 Jul 2024, 12:08 am

I don't know what all the hype about empathy is me


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29 Jul 2024, 12:16 am

Been tested for ADHD... yet..? impulse control..? or did you already address that question ?


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29 Jul 2024, 5:08 am

Oh yeah I'm diagnosed with it...have been since 2006

I'm being terrorised by my inner child


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30 Jul 2024, 1:16 am

^^^. LoLzzzz...^^^^^ :D


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01 Aug 2024, 9:23 am

I keep on waking up high anxiety/panicky after sleeping 3-4 hours and can’t go back to sleep. Damn PTSD. It’s just a rough patch that will pass as it has before, but it sucks while it’s here.