The dyscalculia thread.
I have numeric dyslexia. It's especially bad when I come across two figures like this: 13.4 / 31.4 (or something like that). I also confuse +/- and almost flunked a major assignment because I'd left out one minus sign. I suck at business because all the numbers you have to look at on the spreadsheet overwhelm me.
Those are the exact things that I had most trouble with growing up. Glad I am not the only one.
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Thank you. I've never heard of Khan Academy until now, but I will make sure that I check it out. Hopefully I'll be able to pass my maths GCSE one day.
Although I've yet to be professionally tested, I'm fairly certain that I have it, and I think the most annoying part of it is the number swapping.
Recently, whilst I was writing an essay, there were page numbers on the top of each page, and I panicked for a moment because I thought it said "One of three" on the first page and due to the fact that my essay was eight pages long, I worried that I had lost a significant amount of work.
Until I looked again to see that it said "One of eight", and I was sat there thinking "Where did that three come from?" then I saw that there was a three in my student number in the middle of the page, and realised that I had read that as being on the top corner.
I've been using this website recently, and it's been fairly useful. They also have lessons on other topics such HTML and CSS under programming, which is handy since I study web development. Definitely some good tutorials on there. I'd like to thank you again for mentioning it to me.
Also, I've been looking over my old maths notes to see if I could find anything useful. Unfortunately, a lot of them are just covered in red question marks and comments from my old teachers asking what I'm doing. I got a little laugh out of that, and a few sections have been useful. Others are beyond comprehension. I'm not fully sure what I was doing either, red marker pen.
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I'm so bad with time, that I've had moments where I've been asked what time it is and I've stared at a clock for about a minute (or more) trying to figure it out. Which I absolutely hate because at that point people are starting to wonder what's taking me so long, and I've got to answer but I worry about messing up (thus embarrassing myself).
Fairly recently I got asked for the time, and I had to give up trying to read a clock that was on the wall. I went upstairs to get my phone instead since I find that format easier to understand. Also, I prefer it when people say "ten twenty five" rather than "quarter past ten" for example.
I'll admit that I feel somewhat ashamed when people give me the time, by how many minutes away it is from a full hour, and I have to take a moment to remind myself what that would actually be. For example "Oh, it's twenty five minutes to five" which would be ...um... (60-25= 35), I believe 4:35?
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I've always been terrible at math - I reverse digits or lose track and do the wrong operation - struggle even with basic concepts. And I've tried going over it again on sites like Khan Academy, but don't seem to retain anything to do with numbers very well. It's really held me back in life, too, limited my school and job options.
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I'm the same way about time. I wear a digital watch everywhere because I like to know what time it is but it takes me so long to read analog clocks, which are the ones most likely to be found hanging on a wall or something. It also takes me an extra moment to figure out what someone means when they say something like "it's quarter to seven."
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I'm not sure if I do but I do know that I can slave away on a maths question, try to check my working and still get things wrong because I read numbers wrong and find it hard to add and subtract. In general maths has been a struggle for me because I can't apply the things I learnt, do accurate working or even write numbers correctly. I got a B in my GCSEs but that was a huge struggle and I'll never put myself through that again. Also I mix times up and can't fully understand the passage of time, constantly messing up timings because of this.
I found a webcomic recently with a dyscalculic main character. So far, there hasn't been much focus on the fact that the character has dyscalculia, but it does get a mention when he ends up getting a maths tutor. I wasn't expecting this when I started reading the comic, so that was a nice surprise.
The comic is called Acception and it's available to read on Webtoon for free (unless you pay to read chapters that haven't been officially released yet). It's about a guy trying to navigate high school who secretly runs a fashion blog.
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So...you had trouble distilling a hypothetical life situation down to a math problem?
Like for example: if the teacher said "if johnny had six apples, and mary had four apples. And they combined their supply of apples, how many apples would they have combined?" you would reply "the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the square of the other two sides. So six squared plus four squared is 52. And the square root of 52 is a hair more than seven. So the answer is seven!"
And that would force the teacher to say "right answer. Wrong question. You're supposed to add Mary's apples to Johnny's apples, and get ten."
XD haha no.
It was more, say for example a teacher tells me to "answer question 10" which is written as 5x4, but then without realising I would get numerical information from another question. Let's say question 15 is "8+3", in which case my mind would look at the paper and read it as "Question 10) 5+3" (the 5 from question 10, the +3 from question 15) to which I would answer 8. The answer is correct, however the question I was meant to be answering was "5x4" not "5+3". Kind of like the numbers and symbols are moving around/ switching places randomly on the page.
Teachers would come over to mark my work, and be confused because 5+3 does in fact equal 8, but the question on the sheet, the one I was supposed to be answering, was 5x4 which is 20. They'd ask me where on Earth I got 5+3 from, and then I'd look and realise what I'd done.
5+3 was never on the sheet, but thanks to my brain I would read it that way, and accidentally create a brand new question that wasn't even originally there. I did have moments where I would get the right answer, but not for the right reasons like you did above, but that wasn't what I was talking about.
Yeah, I often find when people say they are bad at maths, they are often still better than me at it.
It can be annoying sometimes when I see people who say "Omg so bad at maths", and they are in one of the top classes, whilst I'm over here finding it hard to divide, and read questions correctly. (Not that I'm having a go at you, just saying in general).
"Right answer, wrong question", was a common phrase I'd hear in my maths class.
Although my answers were technically correct, I would copy the question down incorrectly, and often accidentally create my own. If the question was say, 5*9 on a worksheet, then sometimes my brain would take numerical information from across the sheet, say 2+3, and combine the two, 5+3.
It's also common for my brain to read plus signs as minus, or times as plus (or vice versa).
My teachers were never concerned though, they just found it funny. One teacher I had would mock me, sometimes I would even get in trouble for it. Which I thought was unfair because it wasn't like I was purposefully trying to write the question down wrong.
She told me that I needed to focus on the board more, due to this I would often recheck my work before she came over to make sure I hadn't gotten any of the questions wrong, because if I did then she would grab the paper and complain at me whilst the rest of the class fell into silence. I hated it.
My issues were always in plain sight, but the people around me just either assumed I was an idiot, that I didn't try, or both.
I mainly struggle with arithmetic, and when I found out that a lot of what I was dealing with fell under dyscalculia symptoms, suddenly it made sense.
School was frustrating to me, because sometimes I would get good at a particular method in maths, and the next day I would just forget it as if I had my memory wiped. It left many of my maths teachers puzzled. "But, you were really good at this last lesson, how have you forgotten?". So to remind myself, I would usually read over the notes from last lesson, and try to practice, but often to no avail.
Mental maths felt impossible, and I'll admit that I often secretly wrote notes on my hand trying to work out equations during mental maths tests.
Mainly because I often lost where I was whilst trying to visualise equations, to the point where I get midway through working out a question, and have to start at the beginning because I couldn't remember where I was with working it out.
Sometimes I would cry in frustration whilst doing maths homework. I hated how I was trying so hard, yet my teachers sometimes accused me of not trying hard enough.
So...you had trouble distilling a hypothetical life situation down to a math problem?
Like for example: if the teacher said "if johnny had six apples, and mary had four apples. And they combined their supply of apples, how many apples would they have combined?" you would reply "the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the square of the other two sides. So six squared plus four squared is 52. And the square root of 52 is a hair more than seven. So the answer is seven!"
And that would force the teacher to say "right answer. Wrong question. You're supposed to add Mary's apples to Johnny's apples, and get ten."
XD haha no.
It was more, say for example a teacher tells me to "answer question 10" which is written as 5x4, but then without realising I would get numerical information from another question. Let's say question 15 is "8+3", in which case my mind would look at the paper and read it as "Question 10) 5+3" (the 5 from question 10, the +3 from question 15) to which I would answer 8. The answer is correct, however the question I was meant to be answering was "5x4" not "5+3". Kind of like the numbers and symbols are moving around/ switching places randomly on the page.
Teachers would come over to mark my work, and be confused because 5+3 does in fact equal 8, but the question on the sheet, the one I was supposed to be answering, was 5x4 which is 20. They'd ask me where on Earth I got 5+3 from, and then I'd look and realise what I'd done.
5+3 was never on the sheet, but thanks to my brain I would read it that way, and accidentally create a brand new question that wasn't even originally there. I did have moments where I would get the right answer, but not for the right reasons like you did above, but that wasn't what I was talking about.
Sounds more like dyslexia than dyscalculia. Your eye just doesn't go to the right place on the page of the quiz the teacher gives you. And it may not be real dyslexia, but just extreme panic about taking the quiz.
The two tend to overlap a lot. My dad is dyslexic, so it's not too surprising that I show traits.
However, I don't really have the same issues with words. My spelling ability is average and I don't usually misread words the way I do with numbers. Unless I'm sleepy, then in which case my reading ability becomes much worse, but that's fairly typical. Although, I have been known to accidentally skip sentences or read the same one a couple times if I'm not paying attention. I can be slow when it comes to reading words from a page, especially if I go off to look somewhere else and then have to return to the point I was reading from since I have to find it again. Reading in my head is easier.
I know that looking at the wrong part of the page is an issue with sheet music. That's why I ended up giving up on playing the piano. I can't always tell which line a note is sat on and they seem to move. Personally, I don't know for sure what I have. However, I know that my visual processing is below average. Based on the tests that my education officer made me take anyway. Took it at fourteen, then repeated that test around seventeen. Got the same score.
With that said, I'm aware that the number switching happens a lot just randomly. So I don't think it's due to extreme panic, but panicking probably doesn't do any good. Usually blocking out the rest of the page so I only focus on that particular section can help. Sometimes the number switching happens when I'm perfectly calm. Happens with digital clocks, signposts and posters. I've sat down in the wrong room a few times at Uni because I've misread my timetable, only to realise that I'm supposed to be in a different building. The buildings are numbered, so it makes a lot of difference if the 9 occurs at the start of the number or the second in the sequence. For instance, if it starts on 9 then it's the 9th building but if it starts on 5 then has a 9 after it then it's in the 5th building on the 9th floor.
On the plus side, I've done some interesting sight-seeing due to such blunders before, such as discovering a new hallway since I misread the signpost on the wall and went in the wrong direction. I may not always know where I'm going, but at least I have an interesting time getting there.
Although I sometimes read digital clocks in the wrong order, I prefer them to analogue clocks. I absolutely hate those analogue clocks that don't have numbers on or have roman numerals on instead. Can't get my head around them. I'd pick digital over analogue any day.
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