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30 Nov 2010, 11:08 am

I have Narcassistic Personality Disorder (NDP).

So tell me what does your kind with 'aspegers' view us Narcassists? We have many things in common but I need your views on what you think of us Narcassists?



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30 Nov 2010, 11:34 am

We absolutely and vehemently hate each other with an intense passion.



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30 Nov 2010, 11:55 am

What do you mean? Narcassits hate aspies?

I don't have an opinon on people with AS because i have met so few.



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30 Nov 2010, 12:17 pm

I have met no one with your disorder but I think it's more the indivudual you meet that you will either like or hate more than the disorder in itself.



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30 Nov 2010, 2:27 pm

it doesn't mean in clinical terms what it does in classical literature and mythology.

It simply means you see what you need and want somewhat moreso that you do for others even if it's not readily apparent to you. It's not a bad thing. It's just you're looking out for yourself.

I, for example have to let the guy to my left driving his car think I'm not trying to overtake or race him while at the same time I want the person in back of me not be be angry at me for going too slow. In this case, I'm thinking of others for myself - for my benefit.

I also don't often see that my wife doesn't get things for herself yet I ask for a stipend to buy things.

You just recognize your wants and needs and somehow it's a psychiatric diagnosis - to be self-aware. :roll:



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30 Nov 2010, 4:33 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I have Narcassistic Personality Disorder (NDP).

So tell me what does your kind with 'aspegers' view us Narcassists? We have many things in common but I need your views on what you think of us Narcassists?


Is this a joke? It's not Narcassistic, but Narcissistic. And it's Asperger's, not 'aspegers'--and please do not put it in quotes like that. That suggests you think it's not something real or valid.

You have yourself listed in your profile as having another ASD other than Asperger's. Are you an autistic who's also dx'd with NPD, or is this some self-dx, or is this a joke? I'm not trying to make fun of you if you do have NPD, but you're not coming across as sincere to me. Of course, if you do have NPD, you may be in fact insincere as that is typical of that disorder.

I will be blunt, even if this gets me in trouble with the moderators: if you have NPD, you probably shouldn't be here but at a forum for NPD. The rules of WP may allow you to be here, but I'm of the strong opinion that people with ASDs are especially vulnerable to the kind of abuse and exploitation that people with NPD are capable of.

I have some experience with people with NPD, precisely because my Asperger's has made it easy for them to exploit me. In fact, I watched one very good Asperger's forum go down in flames when a person with NPD joined and went around trying to provoke and upset people just because he found it entertaining. The guy even told me and others in a thread about depression that we should all just commit suicide because we were like "birds with a broken wing," that is was best to just like "nature" take its toll on us.

I simply don't think a person with autism can trust a person with NPD and that a person with NPD would find it very difficult not to exploit autisitcs. We're easy prey to a narcissist.

If you really do have NPD and you want to stay here, I hope the moderators keep an eye on you. I know I'll remember your name and avoid you. I hope that answers your question satisfactory.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:00 pm

Sorry I haven't read the other posts. I think you must have been misdiagnosed because people with NPD almost never admit it. If you're admitting it pretty easily then I can't see how you have NPD. I recently went to an NPD forum and without exception every person there was trying to recover from what an NPD did to them, there was one NPD there and he just trolled the forum and said nothing further. I realise there are malignant and benign narcissists so perhaps you could be the latter. Both seem to be intensely focused on business and money making and will do things at other people's expense. I had a malignant boss once and he was the worst person I've ever met. Some benigns I've met have been mostly fine but you have to stay on the right side of them, and never get into money troubles with them! No, there's very little acceptance of NPDs.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:30 pm

Well I am in a crisis with my friends. I agonized over coming here for weeks and asking you guys social advice because yes it would make me seem weak but since I am driving my friends away I just had to do it and i could not give in to my impulses.

All I ask from you is that you give me some advice on the topic of the friend and my annoying scenario with my friends because there pissing me off with thier behaviour.

Oh yeah as for my profile well i would not describe myself as being an NT so i had to put something down.



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30 Nov 2010, 6:09 pm

Are you sure that you have a NPD? As I understand it, someone with a NPD would place any blame squarely on his "friends."



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30 Nov 2010, 6:16 pm

Yeah and my friends cannot appreciate how great and fantastic i am either its absurd. i am far too good for them there just inferior as far as I am concerned.



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01 Dec 2010, 1:50 pm

I started writing an article that touched on the relationship between narcissistic supervisors and AS subordinates.

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The Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is characterized by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.32 Individuals with a NPD exhibit most of the following traits: an exaggerated sense of self-importance; a preoccupation with unlimited power or success; a belief that he or she is "special" and should only associate with other high-status people; a demand for excessive admiration; a strong sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations); interpersonally exploitative; lacking in empathy; envious of others (or beliefs that others are envious of him or her); arrogant and haughty behaviors and attitudes.33 Individuals with a NPD are characteristically highly motivated to gain the esteem of others to receive affirmation of their superiority, and consequently often seek out positions of authority.34 Their use of superficial charm, coupled with their sense of entitlement, can help persons with a NPD to ascend into a leadership position. Once in a leadership position, the tactics that narcissists often deploy to gain admiration and affirmation from others can be very destructive to an organization. For example, because narcissists view other people as inferior and are insensitive to the concerns of others, they are frequently given to derogating people, and thus undermine interpersonal relationships.35 While narcissists generally regard themselves as superior leaders, they can be hyper-alert to perceived or imagined threats, which they frequently discover in their surroundings, and to which they often respond aggressively.36 Individuals with high levels of narcissism experience anger more frequently, and are more likely to express their anger by engaging in counterproductive work behavior, than other people.37 Lamentably, no effective method of coaching narcissists to become productive team players in the work place has been identified.38
Persons with Asperger's Syndrome may show a lack of social or emotional reciprocity; may have a marked impairment in the use of nonverbal behaviors to regulate social interaction; may fail to develop peer relationships appropriate to their developmental level; and may demonstrate a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people.39 An employee with Asperger's Syndrome may be innately unable to gratify and fulfill the needs for excessive admiration and affirmation of superiority that a supervisor who has a NPD may have. The employee with Asperger's Syndrome may find the supervisor's consequent aggressive response to be perplexing and terrifying. In her proposal to remove me from the federal service, my supervisor wrote: "The Critical Element 5 sub-element Understands Role in Organization has also been a serious problem. I have made considerable effort to ensure that you understand your role in the organization: we have reviewed in detail your Position Performance Plan; l have repeatedly counseled you about the duties and responsibilities of your position. We have met at least once a week and communicated via e-mail almost daily. Rather the problem has been your failure to assume that role and to fulfill the duties and responsibilities of your position."40 I certainly did listen to my supervisor talk quite a lot during my "Performance Improvement Period"--sometimes in her office for several hours after everyone else had gone home, whenever the spirit so moved her. My supervisor's "counseling" consisted of abundantly carping at me and criticizing me. Everything that I did or tried to do she deliberately construed in a negative light. During our "counseling sessions", my supervisor frequently made inappropriate but confidential remarks to me about other employees, particularly about people who were of the same formal bureaucratic rank (one of whom she considered "clueless"), whom she may have regarded as rivals. She did, however, speak admiringly about her immediate supervisor (except on occasions when the topic of conversation turned to her immediate supervisor's presumed sexual orientation) and quite glowingly about other higher-ranking staff members. My supervisor would occasionally speak in a positive way about lower-ranking employees, but usually when her purpose was to take the opportunity to point out some aspect, quality or accomplishment in which she found me inferior in comparison. Although I did my level best to humor her, I was never able to fathom what my supervisor thought my role in the organization should have been, other than that I should be removed from the federal service. My supervisor’s efforts were very costly to the DMDC in terms of the hours required to document her criticisms and accusations, discouraging innovation, and ultimately responding to her proposal to remove me from federal service for unacceptable performance. She was very disrespectful towards me personally, and I found her contemptuous attitude to be enormously draining.
Although I had never previously been subjected to such intense calumny and abuse, particularly by a supervisor, being severely bullied is an all-too-common experience for people with Asperger’s Syndrome and other autism-spectrum disorders.41 A number of authors have examined problems associated with toxic leadership and workplace bullying.42 People with Asperger’s Syndrome are known to be particularly vulnerable to anxiety disorders.43 Bullying-induced anxiety, especially for someone who has Asperger’s Syndrome to begin with, can make it particularly difficult for a person in a position that requires considerable cognitive skills, such as lead statistical work, to function at all.


So, persons with AS really do need to stay away from people with NPDs. And your inferior friends, who fail to show appreciation for your superiority, are indeed better off staying away from you.



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01 Dec 2010, 2:10 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I have Narcassistic Personality Disorder (NDP).

So tell me what does your kind with 'aspegers' view us Narcassists? We have many things in common but I need your views on what you think of us Narcassists?


We feel that it makes you much more awesome when you give your money to us via wire transfer. My bank account number is 345GFR5TFS554544, just so you know.



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01 Dec 2010, 2:50 pm

f**k you pandabear. There the ones being difficult not me. :evil:



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01 Dec 2010, 3:13 pm

Okay, you have a NPD.

What it comes down to is this:

Every one of you hates every one of us. And, sooner or later, every one of us grows to hate every one of you right back.

We are all not only incapable of admiring you, but incapable of feigning admiration.



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01 Dec 2010, 3:15 pm

What the hell are you talking about? Talk sense. :?



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01 Dec 2010, 3:53 pm

Are you a joke ?