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27 May 2011, 8:36 pm

I don't talk very much and I don't have many friends so I was wondering if I could create my own best friend using my conscience. I want to make it very detailed so that it will be similar to a real person, kind of like a second personality. Is there any way to create a voice inside my head that will be friendly with me and not torment me? I know that most people who have a voice inside their head are tormented by it and want to get rid of it. Is there anyone who enjoys having a voice inside their head? I think that creating a voice inside my head might help to ease my depression a little. I always entertain myself with my own thoughts, but I think it would be nice to create the illusion that I'm talking to someone. Does anyone have any knowledge about this topic?



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27 May 2011, 10:43 pm

do you ever play music in your head? if you can do that, you can probably create a voice. I'm not talking about hallucinations or anything like that, just something that you can control.


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27 May 2011, 11:06 pm

Just imagine an ideal scenario of some kind. For me, that would be a mild summer day on a blanket next to a small lake or large pond ...

... and then imagine a friendly person, male or female, walking into the scene and sitting nearby ...

... and then just let things flow into some kind of simple introduction and the beginning of a friendly conversation where there is no conflict.

Caution: Coming back out of that when somebody knocks on the door of your room or something can be quite disturbing. So, try to be prepared for that a bit ahead of time!


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27 May 2011, 11:35 pm

It's simple, all you have to do is keep imagining them. It sounds like you are already doing it. The biggest hurdle is realizing that are already doing it and not forgetting about it.

Those tormenting voices came about by the same process, they just reflect the negative thoughts people say to themselves over and over again, or words that family members abused them with over the years.

Anyway, just keep imagining them, and soon enough it'll feel automatic.

Like leejosepho said, don't just imagine a voice. Imagine a whole person in a entire scene.



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28 May 2011, 3:08 pm

I can't usually have a realistic daydream about having a conversation with another person unless I am really bored or tranquil. I have created people in my dreams before, but most of the time all of the people in my dreams play minor roles. When there are people who play major roles in my dreams they usually torment me and mock my insecurities if they are based on people who I know in real life even if they are one of my friends or family members. Usually the only people in my dreams who don't antagonize me are people who I created from scratch. Does this have any significance? I think that I subconsciously feel like everyone is out to get me even though I'm not consciously aware of it. I usually feel bad about all of the small things that I do and I feel like everyone resents me to at least some extent.



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28 May 2011, 5:43 pm

Things in the imagination usually do not leave much of an impression unless you have a strong emotional reaction to it. If you have a strong reaction to characters who are mean to you, then that's what will draw your attention the most. The ones who are nice probably just give you a mild or neutral reaction.

If there are antagonistic characters, imagine standing up to them or fighting them. Imagine them turning small and insignificant.

Discounting positive daydreams as "not realistic" or positive characters as "minor" is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about when I spoke of hurdles. Just because they are not as vivid does not mean they don't count.



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02 Jun 2011, 5:25 am

Mike, I have major depression too and would be willing to talk whenever, just let me know.



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03 Jun 2011, 8:47 pm

i dont talk to my inner voice very much. i usually get into arguments with it, or i supose them.
i sound like a nutcase, but its true.
as long as i can remember there has been 2 voices in my head. i used to have full blown conversations with them when i was younger. they weren't imaginary, as they were in my head.
i thought i was schizophrenic for a while few years ago, but i wasnt hallucinating.

theres an inner me, i suppose its me, it desn't feel like me, but i suppose it is me. and theres this other 'person', that always riducles me, so i dont talk to it much, as i always get into arguments with it. and theres another which sometimes comes in when it gets bad. mind you i havent done this in a while, but they're still there.

it's also what usually makes me depressed aswell.



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04 Jun 2011, 1:43 am

You want to obtain a « voice » in your head/mind as a friend ?
I think it would be better to be in a chat-room or something.
Well, you are free to do what you want, just don't turn to Ouija Boards.
Are these forums not enough social-interaction for you ?

Hmm, well, anyway, why not learn about interesting things...
...such as Mind-Control Device-Demonstrations (20m+)
Hmm, actually, this one might be easier/faster to watch...
Emotiv Epoc IGN Demo (2m-)


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04 Jun 2011, 3:23 am

paranoidandroid wrote:

theres an inner me, i suppose its me, it desn't feel like me, but i suppose it is me. and theres this other 'person', that always riducles me, so i dont talk to it much, as i always get into arguments with it. and theres another which sometimes comes in when it gets bad. mind you i havent done this in a while, but thats still there.

it's also what usually makes me depressed aswell.



I believe this is your conscience :wink:



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04 Jun 2011, 11:07 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
You want to obtain a « voice » in your head/mind as a friend ?
I think it would be better to be in a chat-room or something.
Well, you are free to do what you want, just don't turn to Ouija Boards.
Are these forums not enough social-interaction for you ?


It's not so much about the social interaction as it is about reminding myself that my thoughts are real. If I never share my thoughts with anyone it's like they don't exist, and if it's like my thoughts don't exist then it's like I don't exist. I share some stuff on the forum and with people I know, but there are still thoughts in my head that I have to talk to myself about to remind myself that they exist. When I don't share my thoughts with anyone or talk to myself about them I get confused about my identity. Sometimes I look in the mirror and I get confused because I have an identity and I'm not a faceless ghost. I found this website a couple of years ago and it still confuses me that other people can think the same way as me. I still feel like there are two kinds of people in the world: me and everyone else. I get lonely sometimes and it's good to have social interaction, but I can live without it for the rest of my life if I have to. I just sometimes want to feel more like I have an identity. What I can't live without for the rest of my life is happiness. I get happy from all kinds of things that I enjoy doing and experiencing new things. Sometimes I'm unsure of what will make me happy, but I'm usually happy when the people around me are happy. I can get happiness from other things too, but that is when my happiness is the most powerful. Most of the time I don't mind experiencing life as though it is from a third-person perspective. I usually manage to experience the happiness of the moment even if I'm mostly just standing on the outside looking in.



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04 Jun 2011, 12:00 pm

Somehow I am reminded of Dr. Carl Wickland`s Research
You should find and read his book titled: 30 Years Among the Dead
Its content seems to suggest that there are more to «thoughts» than meets the eye

Mike1 wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
You want to obtain a « voice » in your head/mind as a friend ?
I think it would be better to be in a chat-room or something.
Well, you are free to do what you want, just don't turn to Ouija Boards.
Are these forums not enough social-interaction for you ?


It's not so much about the social interaction as it is about reminding myself that my thoughts are real. If I never share my thoughts with anyone it's like they don't exist, and if it's like my thoughts don't exist then it's like I don't exist. I share some stuff on the forum and with people I know, but there are still thoughts in my head that I have to talk to myself about to remind myself that they exist. When I don't share my thoughts with anyone or talk to myself about them I get confused about my identity. Sometimes I look in the mirror and I get confused because I have an identity and I'm not a faceless ghost. I found this website a couple of years ago and it still confuses me that other people can think the same way as me. I still feel like there are two kinds of people in the world: me and everyone else. I get lonely sometimes and it's good to have social interaction, but I can live without it for the rest of my life if I have to. I just sometimes want to feel more like I have an identity. What I can't live without for the rest of my life is happiness. I get happy from all kinds of things that I enjoy doing and experiencing new things. Sometimes I'm unsure of what will make me happy, but I'm usually happy when the people around me are happy. I can get happiness from other things too, but that is when my happiness is the most powerful. Most of the time I don't mind experiencing life as though it is from a third-person perspective. I usually manage to experience the happiness of the moment even if I'm mostly just standing on the outside looking in.


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04 Jun 2011, 12:41 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Somehow I am reminded of Dr. Carl Wickland`s Research
You should find and read his book titled: 30 Years Among the Dead
Its content seems to suggest that there are more to «thoughts» than meets the eye


I have started reading it. It seems pretty interesting. I believe in spirits, but I have a limited understanding of them. I'm always looking to broaden my understanding of the world and I know a lot about quantum mechanics and other things. I cannot accept this as fact, but I can use it to expand my knowledge and see if it is consistent with other information and personal experiences.



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04 Jun 2011, 9:26 pm

I've created voices in my head. Not auditory hallucinations, but a dialogue that I didn't have before, because I'm not much of a verbal thinker. I imagined two of me. It's easy to imagine yourself, so that takes care of the "imagining people" part. The two had conversations with each other and sometimes debated issues, but I knew that they were both me. Each time they talk, they give each other different names.

It goes like this:

Bunday: "Hey, Caturday, I want to talk to you about how awesome rubies and sapphires are."

Caturday: "Yeah, Bunday, rubies are corundum with chromium impurities of 1% or more."

Bunday: "Right, Caturday, and sapphires are corundum with iron and titanium impurities of 0.01% or more."

Caturday: "So, Bunday, which do you think is more like us, rubies or sapphires?"

Bunday and Caturday get into a long discussion about how rubies and sapphires are both like them (me) based on the specific mechanisms by which the colors are produced, etc. It's like a Socratic Dialogue in your head. You can think about interests and ideas like this. You can get your two voices to talk to each other, and neither of them will turn around and criticize you with negative thoughts. It really is like having two personalities in your head, and you're listening to them talk, but you're not them, but they are you, and you control them. I swear it worked for me. I really didn't have any verbal thinking/running dialogue in my head before I created these versions of me.


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04 Jun 2011, 9:58 pm

I believe this is your conscience :wink:[/quote]

it isnt, it cant be. simply because you're conscience is always there to play apart, but this isnt.



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05 Jun 2011, 12:46 am

I would be careful about assuming that any kind of knowledge about anything is a lot. Especially in the field of Quantum-Mechanics where very little is actually known...I am still working on memorising the names of all 200-over sub-atomic particles and what they are for but I only consider that to be learning the alphabet of the subject.

A true fluency would probably require actual real-world application with each type of energy or resonance-module (what-ever they`re called) with scientific-instruments that I don`t believe have necessarily been invented/discovered yet (and if they have they are probably not within reach to the public-domain).

Well, just as long as you`re an open-minded individual to continuous-learning, I have no complaints, but my first paragraph is just a cautionary statement for your benefit. Many people out there in the «social-realm» of things are often very quick to try and tear you down upon making any kinds of such statements but, despite their offensive attitudes, the psychological-studies of their behaviours can be quite interesting. You will also keep your sanity better if you take the approach that what-ever we know now could just as easily become obsolete tomorrow (history is a repetitive force after all).

Mike1 wrote:
and I know a lot about quantum mechanics and other things.


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