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09 Jan 2013, 11:25 pm

3 years back i had a serious breakdown, i lost my job, i started a business which had lot of shadows, a relationship ended badly i went into deep depression
And during that phase i realised what all i was doing wrong. After 3 years being at home and doing nothing i tried to keep a distance from people
Since i am easily vulnerable and people con me
After that cautious approach my life took a new turn for better. I held a job in a good organisation for a longer period of time.
My family life improved and i was able to handle relationship with my shoddy inlaws

But recently i am getting mood swings last month on a random i decided to throw a grand party
to all the long lost relatives
I am sure they would be surprised too.
I ended up spending lots of money which now i realise i needed to save desperately
for future investments

I feel this could be bipolar? Sometimes randomly i feel i need to go on a picnic or outing though i am quite tied down with busy schedule.

If this is bipolar what should i be doing???


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09 Jan 2013, 11:40 pm

Was there grandiosity involved in throwing the party? Were you also unable to sleep?

I can't say whether it is or isn't bipolar, but there are signs to mania or hypomania that would clarify it should you see someone.

I think that perhaps seeing a psychiatrist would be a good idea if you can afford it or otherwise can access one. Even if it's not bipolar, impulsiveness on that scale is concerning.



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10 Jan 2013, 6:09 am

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Was there grandiosity involved in throwing the party? Were you also unable to sleep?

I can't say whether it is or isn't bipolar, but there are signs to mania or hypomania that would clarify it should you see someone.

I think that perhaps seeing a psychiatrist would be a good idea if you can afford it or otherwise can access one. Even if it's not bipolar, impulsiveness on that scale is concerning.

yes the party was very grand with loads of money spend lavishly on alcohol, food, outfits,banquet hall etc

It was extreme impulsiveness just a day before the hall was booked, and all arrangement made for the function
and all the long lost relatives were invited those who are barelyi in touch with us now.

i have approached psychatrist earlier but to no avail and nothing came out of it


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10 Jan 2013, 6:19 am

Well it's possible, but it's hard to say.

You had one depressive episode who went on for years and one episode that could be manic.
Besides this no other "manic" episode. So, propably just time can tell I guess.

The diagnoses Bipolar is very often very difficult to confirm.
I'm a bit in the same possition, trying to find out since a whole bunch of while and have a bipolar suspicion from a psychiatrist, but even after a very long time "just" a suspicion. I guess to be sure a lot of people with the suspicion bipolar have to go to a specialist or wait, to be more sure...!

At least that's my experience with it.

Also the double diagnosis Bipolar and ASD is highly controvers, if ASD just sometimes can look like Bipolar or the two really occour more often together. Even leading autism experts don't agree on that.


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10 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

But i feel this is something unusual because couple of years i become recluse and after that i rise with a bang and end up doing all rubbish and then spiral down into depression
Overall i feel that if its not bipolar then it could be borderline personality


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10 Jan 2013, 12:16 pm

I can't tell, but some mood swings are also "normal" in ppl with ASD, you should also consider that.


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10 Jan 2013, 6:57 pm

namaste wrote:
But i feel this is something unusual because couple of years i become recluse and after that i rise with a bang and end up doing all rubbish and then spiral down into depression
Overall i feel that if its not bipolar then it could be borderline personality


Your party does sound like a grandiose gesture, and it does resemble examples of grandiosity and impulsivity I have heard from others.

As for this, borderline personality disorder features emotional instability that occurs much faster than bipolar. It's like you can be emotionally hot and cold within minutes, or get angry at someone and tear them to pieces, only to act like nothing has happened thirty minutes later. Bipolar can present with BPD-like symptoms, though, but medication helps more easily than it does with actual BPD.



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10 Jan 2013, 11:21 pm

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Your party does sound like a grandiose gesture, and it does resemble examples of grandiosity and impulsivity I have heard from others.

As for this, borderline personality disorder features emotional instability that occurs much faster than bipolar. It's like you can be emotionally hot and cold within minutes, or get angry at someone and tear them to pieces, only to act like nothing has happened thirty minutes later. Bipolar can present with BPD-like symptoms, though, but medication helps more easily than it does with actual BPD.

That sounds so much like my mom's symptoms i guess she is NPD and BPD both.

I need to do something about my extreme mood swings...i guess by now my extended family know that i am weird, crazy and misfit


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11 Jan 2013, 12:17 am

namaste wrote:
That sounds so much like my mom's symptoms i guess she is NPD and BPD both.

I need to do something about my extreme mood swings...i guess by now my extended family know that i am weird, crazy and misfit


Regarding your mother and PDs, people can present with features from more than one PD, and I think PDs tend to overlap - cluster B personality disorders (NPD, BPD, ASPD, HPD) tend to have a lot of overlap in behaviors, for example. NPD manipulation tactics can look fairly borderline, but it is also possible to meet the criteria for both. I do not think PDs really describe distinct personality constructs, but patterns of dysfunctional behavior and personality that can overlap to varying degrees depending on the person.

ADHD can also cause rapid emotional shifts since it is associated with emotional dysregulation, at least in some.



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11 Jan 2013, 6:07 am

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ADHD can also cause rapid emotional shifts since it is associated with emotional dysregulation, at least in some.

are you into psychology, are you counsellor or something like that??

I was once diagnosed as cluster B personality by psychatrist....she was going to put me on meds for 2 years
so i stopped seeing her
i didnt need meds all i needed was guidance

can you explain what exactly is cluster B....because she had only written on the form that i am cluster B person


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11 Jan 2013, 6:53 am

I'm interested in psychology, but I'm not a counselor.

Cluster B personality disorders are anti-social personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder. Cluster B disorders are "dramatic, emotional, and erratic." Cluster A is "odd or eccentric" and Cluster C is "anxious or fearful."



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11 Jan 2013, 8:15 am

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I'm interested in psychology, but I'm not a counselor.

Cluster B personality disorders are anti-social personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder. Cluster B disorders are "dramatic, emotional, and erratic." Cluster A is "odd or eccentric" and Cluster C is "anxious or fearful."

that doesnt sound like me
anti social/narcisstic etc is not me definitely
i dont know why she diagnosed me with that within 10mins of knowing me


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11 Jan 2013, 8:30 am

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i dont know why she diagnosed me with that within 10mins of knowing me


I was missdx 3 times by shrinks who don't know anything about autism.
Not all do.

Especcially ASD is a mixture out of different symptoms and depending on how you present in a situation, you can get missdx with nearly any other disorder.
Especcially if the shrink just looks at you for maybe 10 min. No valid diagnosis can be made within such a short period of time and also most shrinks have their "favorite" diagnoses.

I wouldn't give that much about the opinion of a shrink who just looks at you for maybe 10 min. and think they can tell what's wrong with you. But I also wouldn't go there anymore.


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11 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

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I was missdx 3 times by shrinks who don't know anything about autism.
Not all do.

Especcially ASD is a mixture out of different symptoms and depending on how you present in a situation, you can get missdx with nearly any other disorder.
Especcially if the shrink just looks at you for maybe 10 min. No valid diagnosis can be made within such a short period of time and also most shrinks have their "favorite" diagnoses.

I wouldn't give that much about the opinion of a shrink who just looks at you for maybe 10 min. and think they can tell what's wrong with you. But I also wouldn't go there anymore.

ya i never visiter her after that...
10min is too less to understand anybody
they just want to mint money
and i am the scapegoat


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11 Jan 2013, 1:59 pm

namaste wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
I'm interested in psychology, but I'm not a counselor.

Cluster B personality disorders are anti-social personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder. Cluster B disorders are "dramatic, emotional, and erratic." Cluster A is "odd or eccentric" and Cluster C is "anxious or fearful."

that doesnt sound like me
anti social/narcisstic etc is not me definitely
i dont know why she diagnosed me with that within 10mins of knowing me


I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder two years ago during a psychological evaluation for disability. Every mental health professional I have seen since disputes the diagnosis, as does just about everyone who knows me and knows what BPD is like. She saw me for an hour - now she's seen me for a total of three hours over two years and disputes my AS diagnosis. Misdiagnosis can happen all too easily and I think that a personality disorder is not something you can really diagnose after 10 minutes or an hour unless you're really obvious in a way that many aren't. A lot of people with cluster B disorders also tend to be fairly practiced at presenting a "normal" front, and so most people are going to see them at their best in such short periods of time.

From reading threads here it seems relatively common for autistic women to be misdiagnosed with borderline before getting diagnosed as on the spectrum. The unfortunate consequence of admitting to such is that there are posters who will try to use it against you.