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17 Oct 2011, 12:19 am

Okay, so I've always had quite a few anxieties for most of my life and may even have GAD. I'm rather prone to analysis paralysis from time to time and to procrastination, but historically some structure has limited the adverse effects of various anxieties I have and channeled positively (or, as positively as is possible with such a level of anxiety) into constructive areas. Now, however, I've suffered from quite a bit of anxiety of a ubiquitous variety, perhaps resulting from some disruptions in my historical routine, seem to get very stressed out over necessary tasks, and have become more ineffectual, procrastinating , and overwhelmed by anxiety than usual.

I've been prescribed some citalopram to deal with matters. Specifically

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stat citalopram 10 g QAM x4d + then 20 mg QAM x 30 d Rs TT


Now, I'm relatively new to the (psychiatric) medication game, having never taken medication for mood issues in my life before. I'm certainly aware that every medication comes with some risk (including my life-saving insulin), but that it can be outweighed by potential benefits. I've heard that some of the risks involve sleep problems and arousal difficulties. But, doing five minutes of research, I've also heard that some studies state that citalopram is ineffectual in Autistic Spectrum Conditions cases.

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/705232

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Although no medications are currently approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for core symptoms of autism spectrum disorders (ASDs), selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors are widely prescribed for children with these conditions. The goal of this National Institutes of Health-sponsored, randomized, controlled trial was to evaluate the efficacy and safety of citalopram hydrobromide therapy for repetitive behavior in children with ASDs.

At 6 US academic centers, 149 children aged 5 to 17 years old with ASDs were randomly assigned to receive oral citalopram (10 mg/5 mL; n = 73) or placebo (n = 76) for 12 weeks. At baseline, illness severity ratings were at least moderate on the Clinical Global Impressions (CGI) severity of illness scale, as were compulsive behaviors measured with the Children's Yale-Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scales modified for pervasive developmental disorders. The mean maximum dosage of citalopram was 16.5 ± 6.5 mg/day (maximum, 20 mg/day).

A score of much improved or very much improved on the CGI improvement subscale constituted a positive response, and the score on the Children's Yale-Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scales modified for pervasive developmental disorders was the secondary endpoint. The Safety Monitoring Uniform Report Form allowed systematic determination of adverse events.

Neither the CGI improvement subscale nor the secondary endpoint showed any significant difference between groups. Positive response occurred in 32.9% of the citalopram group and in 34.2% of the placebo group. Adverse events were significantly more common with citalopram than with placebo; notably, increased energy level, impulsiveness, decreased concentration, hyperactivity, stereotypy, diarrhea, insomnia, and dry skin or pruritus.
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Based on these findings, there is no support for citalopram treatment of repetitive behavior in children and adolescents with ASDs. This lack of effect is not explained by attrition, small sample size, or poor treatment compliance. Inadequate dosing is also unlikely because high rates of adverse events would have precluded use of higher citalopram dosing. A possible study limitation is the selection of repetitive behavior as the major treatment focus. Given the high positive response rate in the placebo group, other medications often used off-label for children with ASDs should also be tested in randomized, placebo-controlled trials to evaluate their risk-benefit ratio.


Of course, citalopram may not be effective against autistic repetitive behaviours, but could still be effective against comorbid anxiety synonyms (depending on whether said study, which I don't have enough statistical training to really analyze, somehow managed to isolate "anxiety disorders" from "repetitive behaviours", as a lot of such behaviours result from peserverative worry). Of course, citalopram is apparently also effective in dealing with certain diabetes complications.

So, I'm wondering if anyone is more learned in this subject than myself and if said person or people could provide advice.


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17 Oct 2011, 12:45 am

when i typed in celexa and autism i got pages of ungood reports, but as they say, your mileage may vary. all i know is that the strattera i took for several years, got rid of my free-floating anxiety and for the first time in my life i felt "normal."
it was the best thing for my own mood issues. with a very light touch it made the dark clouds and fog evaporate. it tamped down the din [so to speak] of the various aspie issues/nervousness i struggled with, so that i could better concentrate on other parts of life. alternatively, i could say that it turned up the volume of the executive functioning part of my brain so that i could better hear what it was saying to me above the dysfunctional din of the malfunctioning anxiety-making parts. i am obviously no expert, this is just an end-user description of how strattera made me feel.



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17 Oct 2011, 1:08 am

auntblabby wrote:
i could say that it turned up the volume of the executive functioning part of my brain so that i could better hear what it was saying to me above the dysfunctional din of the malfunctioning anxiety-making parts. i am obviously no expert, this is just an end-user description of how strattera made me feel.


Improving executive functions is indeed something I really need to do.


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17 Oct 2011, 2:03 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Improving executive functions is indeed something I really need to do.


your executive functioning seems better than mine, by dint of your astute postings on PP&R. your anxiety may be the thing that distracts your executive functioning from improving IRL- so if you tamp down the anxiety your executive functioning will have more neural power allocated to it. i typed in "celexa and anxiety" and found lots of therapeutic citations attesting to its common "off-label" scripting to treat anxiety. but in america it comes with a "black box" warning of increased suicidal ideation. it has lots of side fx [including sexual difficulties] and contraindications so if you decide to take it, beware. have you entertained the option of asking your pdoc about trying strattera instead?



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17 Oct 2011, 3:02 am

I was prescribed citalopram (10 then 20mg) for GAD just recently. I was only on it for 4 weeks. I didn't experience any positive effects(I know it can take longer), and the psychiatrist didn't believe that continuing on it was worth the side effects. I barely slept in 4 weeks and even when I took it at 9pm I was still nauseous by 9am. All medications are different for each person though, so no matter what you read here you are likely to get many sides of the story.



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17 Oct 2011, 3:39 pm

I've been taking it for quite a while for depression. I've had to go up to 40mg before it's had a significant effect but I am so glad I have it now. I've been going through a bad time with my mental health and it has made it so much easier to cope. I don't know how it effects GAD but it can make you more anxious at first and calmer later on. It can be great for severe depression but for GAD, I'm not sure.

It wreaks havoc with my digestive system and it used to give me very bad insomnia but I would've had a breakdown without it. I now sleep very well, but the gut trouble continues. For me, it's worth it.


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18 Oct 2011, 2:50 am

I used to take it at 40g (I too needed to up it until it did anything) but be warned. It can screw up your stomach (I now have to take lanzoperazole for that) permanently and it IS addictive. My doctor told me it wasn't when I went on it but when I tried to come off it, I became so enraged that I couldn't take it that I was smashing everything and screaming constantly. The pain was unbearable too. I am now on fluoxetine (prozac) purely because I had to come off the Citalopram and the prozac took away the withdrawal effects. Whether I will ever be drug free is not known.


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18 Oct 2011, 8:15 am

As someone who's had gastrointestinal problems (via Celiac disorder) I'm not sure if I can afford more gut problems.


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25 Oct 2011, 1:37 pm

I'm on 60 of citalopram, prescribed for depression/anxiety fun times, and it's wonderful. Got my life back. I get the gut trouble too but it's worth it. It also made me a lot better round people.



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25 Oct 2011, 4:12 pm

I didn't have a good experience with it. That's one of the ones I had to stop taking right away.



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26 Oct 2011, 1:38 pm

I once had Citalopram and I got a really bad sunallergy from it where I even couldn't leave the house anymore. That's over a year ago and you still can see the blains all over my arms from that allergy. :(

Really really bad experince.



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27 Oct 2011, 8:05 pm

I was always getting sick to my stomach while taking it. I never slept, either.



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29 Oct 2011, 9:25 pm

I just started on it a little over a week ago. I was prescribed 20 mg/day but I find that is just too much for me. It was difficult for me to get my school work done since I was so sleepy. On the plus side, I did sleep very well. It also lowered my metabolism, making me very cold and at times my skin had an almost bluish cast to it. It dehydrated me, making my skin less oily (which was welcomed) and making me somewhat constipated. My eyes also burned from dryness and it seemed like I could not drink enough water.

I'm now taking just 10 mg/day and that works much better. I might be slightly sleepier than normal but otherwise I don't notice any negative side effects. It does seem to really help with my anxiety.