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01 Dec 2011, 12:22 am

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Are any of you young people aware of party drugs that can cause extreme paranoia with short term use?

Pardone Madam?

Weed has been repeatedly shown to increase the risk of psychosis in individuals that are already vulnerable to it - ergo, risky for some, but not most. Your son might be at risk.

Paranoia is not enough to say he has schizophrenia, but how about a personal explanation? - I have been told that I am partially delusional, I hallucinate, I have disorganised speech and behavior, i have asociality, anhedonia and avolition and varying mood swings - and yet I still don't have schizophrenia. If your son had schizophrenia you'd know it.

Anyhoo, no I doubt it's schizophrenia but weed can cause paranoia easy.

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01 Dec 2011, 4:27 am

Phonic wrote:

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Are any of you young people aware of party drugs that can cause extreme paranoia with short term use?

I have disorganised speech and behavior, i have asociality, anhedonia and avolition and varying mood swings - and yet I still don't have schizophrenia. If your son had schizophrenia you'd know it.
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Sounds like scitzotyp personality disorder though.

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01 Dec 2011, 7:59 am

I have schizophrenia. While I agree that it is more than paranoia, you shouldn't forget that weed is linked with higher incidence of schizophrenia, and before the full-blown schizophrenia comes the prodromal phase. My prodromal phase involved sometimes hearing voices, feeling very anxious and paranoid, acting strangely, not socialising and bunking off school. I didn't have full-blown schizophrenia until I ended up in Accident and Emergency alternating between being completely florid and being almost catatonic, and hallucinating badly.

So, my advice to you is that you should ask a professional about this. We are not doctors and we cannot diagnose your son.

I know it would be very hard to get your son to see someone though.

Sorry if this post doesn't make sense, I can't think clearly enough right now.

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01 Dec 2011, 9:18 am

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01 Dec 2011, 10:28 am

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Hi, My 23 year old son, who lives hundreds of miles away from me, with his father, seems to be having some symptoms that sound like schizophrenia. Erratic, extreme mood changes, really paranoid. My exhusband was about ready to kick him out because he started getting loud and obnoxious, had finally found a job then quit within a month. My ex went through a 12 step program years back, and now all he sees are the signs of addiction.
I don't know which is scarier- him suddenly taking some serious illegal drugs (he admits to smoking pot, but denies any other drugs) or that it is a mental issue, or he is just being strange, or overwhelmed with anxiety, or what!! !

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Are any of you young people aware of party drugs that can cause extreme paranoia with short term use? His behavior has changed drastically in just a couple of weeks.

Any of you who know about schizophrenia, the onset, what it's like etc. please share with me your first hand knowledge. (I have been reading lots of stuff, but so much is BS on the internet these days, and I trust the people here that have had real experiences).

What treatment works, what is the best way to handle someone like this, etc etc etc.

Thanks for any information, I am simply terrified and he is supposed to go to a drug counseling appt next week that his dad made, since his dad is only considering it a drug thing, and not even considering real medical/psychological issues.

Well for some people cannabis can contribute to schizophrenia.........though some people with that disorder use it to self medicate so it can be hard to say what exactly is going on there. I mean I use cannabis to self medicate my depression, anxiety and PTSD but in my case it was quite clear those issues were present before I started regularly smoking so i know the smoking did not contribute to it. I think it is important to look at the medical/psychological stuff first because sometimes drug treatment is not a very good place to start and some of the treatment places actually abuse the people...

However if he does have a drug problem that is technically a psychological problem......so I would say its better to go the psychiatric route because then everything can be looked at.....Rather then having him go somewhere were they will only blame all his problems on him and be more focused on telling him what to do then helping him get to the root of the problem.

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01 Dec 2011, 10:35 am

Uhh well from what I've read so far his dad is not going about this the right way at all.

I don't know how many people know what its like to get called an addict or rather dismissed as one when you have so much more going on that people would prefer to ignore....I mean when people say that it's like they are disregarding you as a useless, messed up person who should not even be acknowledged or helped at least that's how it feels.

Now mind you maybe he is addicted(I was not addicted to anything other than ciggerettes when I got called that) but pushing the whole 'you're an addict' 'its all your fault your like this because you did drugs.' will not help someone recover it needs to remembered he's still an individual person with emotions who has some problems......so hopefully whatever professional the appointment is with actually has some knowledge in psychology and addiction disorders and will be aware of that.

If there is any way you can be supportive or whatever that would be good to......but I can understand its hard living so far and not having a good way to go out and talk to him or whatever.

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01 Dec 2011, 11:21 am

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01 Dec 2011, 11:57 am

backagain wrote:

Thanks so much, the counselor he is to see is an addiction specialist, but hopefully will send him for blood work to be tested for drugs (to confirm or rule out) and is professional enough to not just be looking for addiction.

His dad is a dufus in many ways, but at least he said the other night that "addicts are sick and need to be treated like sick people". When I said "you were going to throw him out because you thought he was on drugs" he said he had thought about it and realized that wouldn't be the right thing, that he was upset, and his wife wanted our son gone. I don't think he will go that route now.

Ok well if they are a specialist I imagine they have some back ground in psychology.....so that's a good thing. Also I mean if they are a counseler of the therapist type they usually ask you about drug use in general, and ideally the person being treated would just be up front about it. So based on how the meeting goes would determine if they send for any blood work or anything.

Another factor could be.......the relationship between him and his dad, I mean when I was in therapy for PTSD and other stuff I was fine with telling the counseler all the drugs I've used and about my cannabis use and why I do that. But there is no way I could have talked to my mom about any of it.....My dad on the other hand I can talk to about that kind of stuff. So yeah hopefully talking to the addiction specialist counseler is helpful.

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01 Dec 2011, 12:32 pm

I would add that excessive stimulant use (cocaine, methamphetamine) may result in a psychosis indistinguishable from intense schizophrenia.

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02 Dec 2011, 7:28 pm

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02 Dec 2011, 7:45 pm

Tambourine-Man wrote:

I would add that excessive stimulant use (cocaine, methamphetamine) may result in a psychosis indistinguishable from intense schizophrenia.

True however if hes admitted to using cannabis and says he hasen't been doing anything else its a bit unlikely because most cannabis users don't abuse stimulants.

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02 Dec 2011, 9:07 pm

LSD causes schizophrenia.

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03 Dec 2011, 12:53 am

androbot2084 wrote:

LSD causes schizophrenia.

It can contribute, to it......but they can't do any blood work to test for it because it would not show up.

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05 Dec 2011, 6:42 pm

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05 Dec 2011, 9:05 pm

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There are tests that will show LSD in the system. As far as stating that a person that likes one type of drug, won't take another, that's no where near true, I have seen enough to know that.

The test that shows it is a spinal tap, but that has quite a few risks.........also I was just mentioning most cannabis users do not use a lot of harder drugs that's just a common knowledge thing. I was not implying its impossible just not to jump to conclusions, because it is true the majority of cannabis users mostly use cannabis.

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