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12 Feb 2012, 3:58 am

I used to hear voices. I don't anymore.

What do you think of this article? Is it psuedopsychiatry, or is the mainstream psychiatry pseudopsychiatry? Which is the truth?

http://www.hearingvoicesmaastricht.eu/page10.php

Sometimes, I wonder if my hearing voices was caused by childhood trauma, but I have no memory of anything abusive. The thing about it was that I never truly lost touch with reality. I heard voices outside my head, but was still coherent, able to speak logically, did not show any of the other signs of psychosis like thought disorder that are so prevalent in people with schizophrenia. I was even able to pull straight A's and B's for the most part.

The thing is they put me on meds, and the voices disappeared, but to this day I feel like a part of me is missing, like the voices served some purpose in my life that the psychiatrists and my family were refusing to acknowledge. I somehow feel empty without that third sense to guide me. Don't get me wrong, the voices were often abusive and cruel and I needed to get rid of them for my own good so I don't regret going on antipsychotics, but doesn't that just point further to childhood trauma? I was diagnosed with psychotic depression, but sometimes I just get the feeling that there was something more going on.

Am I wrong? Can someone give me some firm evidence that my problem is biological or is there none? I just want to know the truth.



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12 Feb 2012, 5:58 am

i wish i had some good answers for you, but i can only relate my own experiences from my family- when my late father passed away, for 2 nights i heard his voice shouting my name. my mother heard him also, at the same time. when my older brother was 3, he had the croup and was very ill, and one day my mother heard him talking to somebody but not hearing any replies, and so she went into his bedroom and found him chatting with a "little green man" sitting up on his dresser drawers, and when my mom asked him who he was chatting and laughing at, he told her, "the little green man on the dresser! don't you see him?"



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12 Feb 2012, 6:05 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the voices were often abusive and cruel and I needed to get rid of them for my own good so I don't regret going on antipsychotics, but doesn't that just point further to childhood trauma?

I don't get why self-deprecating voices are not treated the same as self-deprecating thoughts by professionals. And it's obvious that negative thinking can result from many things, including trauma. I've yet to decipher how is hearing voices IN ITSELF a problem.


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14 Feb 2012, 6:35 am

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Don't get me wrong, the voices were often abusive and cruel and I needed to get rid of them for my own good so I don't regret going on antipsychotics, but doesn't that just point further to childhood trauma?

I don't get why self-deprecating voices are not treated the same as self-deprecating thoughts by professionals. And it's obvious that negative thinking can result from many things, including trauma. I've yet to decipher how is hearing voices IN ITSELF a problem.


Actually, I think the trend is changing where voice hearing in itself is not considered psychosis as often any more. However, most psychiatrists don't want to deal with the gritty issues that go along with what the voices may actually mean, especially when they are abusive. They don't want to deal with the possibility of abuse, trauma, or bullying. If you want any insight into what the voices may mean, you have to speak to a therapist.

The problem with western psychiatrist is that psychiatrists just want to attack the immediate problem, they just want to shove those negative thoughts out of the view and pretend that everything is fine when to the patient is really not - they use a knife when a pick might be more appropriate. Antipsychotics and antidepressants may have saved my life and I am grateful, but that doesn't change the fact that the voices had meaning to me. This issue will never be addressed by psychiatrists, again as I said, only by talk therapy.



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14 Feb 2012, 6:48 am

I agree with you, of course. But I'll just point out that a lot of times one needs to go to a therapist PRIVATELY, because doctors in state hospitals don't take those symptoms seriously. Especially if you have attention deficit disorder in addition to a psychotic feature, they might think your thought process is disorganised even if you know what you're on about. As I said to my sister while I was in the hospital, my thought process wasn't too different to what it usually is during my first hospitalisation, I was just verbalising my thoughts more, which made me feel relieved at the time. I think the doctors could have used my maniphoric state a lot more, as I was really opening up to people.


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14 Feb 2012, 8:00 am

If you were going through some life changing situations at that point of time your spirit guides would be wanting to help you at that point
But if the voices were negative then its some evil energy around you, some soul which is wandering or some entity.
I have been literally saved many times by unknown forces and voices

One day early in the morning a voice shouted at me...get up, get up
i got up and saw that i forgot to set the alarm last night
and was just in time except for 5 mins ahead
so this voice helped me...........

but there has been cases of bad voices trying to give
wrong advices to me....which sometimes i have been able to shut down.


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14 Feb 2012, 10:03 pm

Yes, when I'm not on benzos..

It's always a man and woman arguing about me. "she's autistic" "she has asperger's" "she's lost it" "___ over and over and over and over and over" "she's a lesbian" "she's gay"

It depends on the context, it's usually my parents or authority figures, or any kind of figure in my life that represents "superego"

I see 'shadows' as well like swirling black clouds of mist as i wake up one day. hazes of black fog on the ground, animals like rodents and cats and spirits rushing across the floor... etc

i consider this psychic though.. it is probably the sub.con thoughs of people's assumptions about me. people openly assume im schizophrenic, lesbian, etc...
and unconsciously, ive shared dream plots and had complete spiritual mutual dreams with people, so i consider this a part of modern day shamanism 8)
i am also a shaman artist, i can uncover symbols relevant to then and now
at the same i am crippled with autism and a bad thought/memory problem. probably from my long-term, daily use of benzos



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15 Feb 2012, 1:01 am

I sometimes do but its very, very minor. When I was younger it was more severe. Last year I heard whispering voices constantly though. They would whisper, " I am going to kill you" and other threatening things to me. This was from the government. Most of the time it is silent in my head and I am thankful for that. In the last couple of days I heard a couple of times where I heard something though. One time it was someone yelling and then the other time it was someone keep on saying my name. I have schizoaffective disorder though. But my disorder is mainly due to so called "delusions" rather than hallucinations. I am being treated with Loxapine. There are times where I get visual hallucinations as well. Mainly of people and animals. I have seen people in my house that are government agents (my so called delusions are about the government as you guys can figure out now) and I started yelling and screaming for my life because I thought they were going to kill me. The other things I see are different colored things floating in the sky and on the ground as well. I don't know what they are and sometimes its just flashes of color. Other times I would see animals running across the road and no one else sees them. On top of the visual and auditory hallucinations I get olfactory hallucinations as well. I know that can indicate a tumor but it has been ruled out. I did have a tumor because of a med I was on years ago but once I was off the med the tumor went away. I mainly smell things rotting and other nasty smells. I don't get these things all at once normally. I see shadows constantly.



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15 Feb 2012, 1:12 am

archraphael wrote:
and unconsciously, ive shared dream plots and had complete spiritual mutual dreams with people, so i consider this a part of modern day shamanism 8)
i am also a shaman artist, i can uncover symbols relevant to then and now
at the same i am crippled with autism and a bad thought/memory problem. probably from my long-term, daily use of benzos

i always wanted to learn shamanism its so deep and connects you with higher power


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18 Feb 2012, 4:57 pm

"Similarly, for a group of 80 voice hearing children, 85% linked the start of the voices to trauma or stressful events, such as sexual and physical abuse, long-term emotional neglect, chronic bullying at school, loss of a loved one (and, often, being denied normal ways of bereavement), and parents’ divorce (Escher, 2004). Many, however, were able to cope with their voices on their own, without needing professional treatment."

I never realized that. I have heard voices for as long as I can remember I have heard voices, after a while I figured out how to discern which voices/random noises were real, and which ones weren't. I find it funny though, that of the list above, only "Divorce" was not on the list of things in my past, starting with my brothers death when i was one and my mothers 6 year run as an alcoholic after that. Even after she got off the booze life was hard. My mother was a
very 'tough love' kinda person, and when I cried about something, or when something hurt my feelings she would tell me to toughen up and learn to deal. My father was absent most of the time, he worked a lot of odd jobs and long hours, my first real memory of my father was when I was 8 years old, asking mom if he was going to babysit us again because she had gone back to work after my dad lost his job.

Most of the time, I don't even think about the voices/noise anymore, I'm so used to it as a part of my daily life that i don't really notice it anymore.



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19 Feb 2012, 4:46 am

KRipley wrote:
"Similarly, for a group of 80 voice hearing children, 85% linked the start of the voices to trauma or stressful events, such as sexual and physical abuse, long-term emotional neglect, chronic bullying at school, loss of a loved one (and, often, being denied normal ways of bereavement), and parents’ divorce (Escher, 2004). Many, however, were able to cope with their voices on their own, without needing professional treatment."

I never realized that. I have heard voices for as long as I can remember I have heard voices, after a while I figured out how to discern which voices/random noises were real, and which ones weren't. I find it funny though, that of the list above, only "Divorce" was not on the list of things in my past, starting with my brothers death when i was one and my mothers 6 year run as an alcoholic after that. Even after she got off the booze life was hard. My mother was a
very 'tough love' kinda person, and when I cried about something, or when something hurt my feelings she would tell me to toughen up and learn to deal. My father was absent most of the time, he worked a lot of odd jobs and long hours, my first real memory of my father was when I was 8 years old, asking mom if he was going to babysit us again because she had gone back to work after my dad lost his job.

Most of the time, I don't even think about the voices/noise anymore, I'm so used to it as a part of my daily life that i don't really notice it anymore.


Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I'm glad you have come to terms with your voices. It was something I was never able to do, since in my case, they dominated my life. If I am not on antidepressants, I fall back into the voices, the paranoia, and the profound depression. They would say cruel things about me like "he should just kill himself and get it over with" or "what an idiot" or "what a loser". It was not something I wanted in my life.

I do think CBT has helped as well. I realize now that not everyone is out to get me. Some people may have been in the past, but not most people.



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19 Feb 2012, 2:18 pm

I've heard a few words from time to time, and the classic one of someone calling my name. Nothing abusive or deprecating. NEver really understood them, but as they weren't causing me any grief I just ignored this "feature" in my life.


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20 Feb 2012, 8:28 pm

heavenlyabyss wrote:

Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I'm glad you have come to terms with your voices. It was something I was never able to do, since in my case, they dominated my life. If I am not on antidepressants, I fall back into the voices, the paranoia, and the profound depression. They would say cruel things about me like "he should just kill himself and get it over with" or "what an idiot" or "what a loser". It was not something I wanted in my life.

I do think CBT has helped as well. I realize now that not everyone is out to get me. Some people may have been in the past, but not most people.


Wow, I can't imagine what that's like. Mine never really spoke to me. If you can imagine the noises in the night that make grown adults lock the closet door and hide under the covers, that's more what it was like for me. The voices sometimes whispered and sometimes shouted. Most of the time it's names, screams, or whispers that i can't quite make out.

I used to have visual hallucinations, but those stopped shortly after my husband and I started dating. He's been a big stabilizer for me. Which might seem surprising to many people, because he is Aspie. He's helped me with so much, he's helped me to get over a lot of the things in my past, to come to terms with anger I didn't even know I had, and he's given me a wonderful son that we both adore.



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23 Feb 2012, 6:39 am

KRipley wrote:
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Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I'm glad you have come to terms with your voices. It was something I was never able to do, since in my case, they dominated my life. If I am not on antidepressants, I fall back into the voices, the paranoia, and the profound depression. They would say cruel things about me like "he should just kill himself and get it over with" or "what an idiot" or "what a loser". It was not something I wanted in my life.

I do think CBT has helped as well. I realize now that not everyone is out to get me. Some people may have been in the past, but not most people.


Wow, I can't imagine what that's like. Mine never really spoke to me. If you can imagine the noises in the night that make grown adults lock the closet door and hide under the covers, that's more what it was like for me. The voices sometimes whispered and sometimes shouted. Most of the time it's names, screams, or whispers that i can't quite make out.

I used to have visual hallucinations, but those stopped shortly after my husband and I started dating. He's been a big stabilizer for me. Which might seem surprising to many people, because he is Aspie. He's helped me with so much, he's helped me to get over a lot of the things in my past, to come to terms with anger I didn't even know I had, and he's given me a wonderful son that we both adore.


Glad to hear that. That is an inspiring story.

This just goes to show that voice hearing in itself is not a "death sentence." It is something that can be worked on and fought against, in the case that the voices or hallucinations are not purely biological (I am of course not discounting that as being true in many cases).

I think my issue is both biological and environmental, but one must never discount the influence of a positive stable influence in one's life.



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23 Feb 2012, 9:44 am

That's very true. it's been a long hard road, and once some of my inner turbulence settled, the hallucinations went away. i didn't even realize it at first, that wasn't my goal at the time. It seemed to be a side effect of getting my life more under control and coming to terms with trauma's in my past.

some of the auditory hallucinations are biological. Caused by an imbalance in my ears and damage to my left eardrum, but those are just random background noise. voices and screams are all 'in my head' and I hope that someday, with more work and maybe some counseling, everything that doesn't have a physical reason will be gone.

You know, in the brief time I've been here, I've never felt more welcomed. People here are friendly, most of them willing to offer good advice. I've never been somewhere where I could just talk about my problems and struggles and have people understand and sympathize. Not tell me that they don't want to know, or say that "oh, yea, I know exactly how you feel, my puppy died last week and I'm scared for life."

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone.