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06 Jan 2014, 1:14 pm

I have a lot of problems that are unrelated to ASD. I think most of my problems are unrelated to ASD. I've only been getting ASD related treatment. A lot of it is ineffective. I've tried getting tested for other problems, but they either ignore me or give me tests that don't reveal anything. They also think that my non-ASD problems are related to ASD even though they are not.


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06 Jan 2014, 2:20 pm

To answer your question: "How do I get treated for non-ASD problems?". It depends wich other disorder and symptoms you have.
Also the core problems of ASD are untreadable.


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06 Jan 2014, 3:02 pm

Raziel wrote:
To answer your question: "How do I get treated for non-ASD problems?". It depends wich other disorder and symptoms you have.
Also the core problems of ASD are untreadable.

My main problem right now is a lack of energy, especially mental energy. I don't have enough energy to get school work done. I know this will cause problems when I start working.

I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments. This problem makes me doubt I'm even on the spectrum to begin with.

I probably have some unnamed disorder that sometimes looks like ASD, but has core differences.


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06 Jan 2014, 4:17 pm

as an ex-physical illness doctor, the problems that come to mind with lack of energy are anemia, hypothyroidism, and depression. I'd start with a complete physical and blood work by your primary care doc.



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06 Jan 2014, 4:38 pm

Look up Russell Barkley on youtube, he's somewhat of a leading expert on ADD/ADHD, and according to him 60-70% of people with Asperger's also have a form of ADD.

The DSM IV explicitly stated that people with AS could not also be diagnosed with ADD, but many medical authorities (such as the National Institute for Clinical Excellence in the UK) have said to ignore this, and in the DSM V it is possible to be diagnosed with both an ASD and ADD.

Additionally, Dr. Barkley covers the different kinds of ADD, namely the regular hyperactive ADHD form, where it is easy to get distracted, and the person is restless, as well as a less well known, and completely different form referred to as 'Slugish Cognitive Tempo'. This is pretty much what people with AS describe as 'brain fog'. The DSM V doesn't distinguish this completely different type of ADD (because the people writing it didn't want to add a new condition), so it's included under ADD for now.

Warning: A lot of his videos are very long, but they're worth watching if you have an interest in ADD (and if he's right, that should be most people with AS).


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07 Jan 2014, 1:50 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
To answer your question: "How do I get treated for non-ASD problems?". It depends wich other disorder and symptoms you have.
Also the core problems of ASD are untreadable.

My main problem right now is a lack of energy, especially mental energy. I don't have enough energy to get school work done. I know this will cause problems when I start working.

I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments. This problem makes me doubt I'm even on the spectrum to begin with.

I probably have some unnamed disorder that sometimes looks like ASD, but has core differences.


I still not sure about the symptoms you do have. You mostly write them in comparison to ASD to proof your opinion that's something else. At least that's my feeling and sorry in advance if my opinion might be wrong...
I know that's not diagnostical valide, but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD. I also have behaviour who is not totally typical for ASD and there are two reasons for it:
1) I'm more on the edge of the diagnosticall relevant autism spectrum
2) I've comorbidities (ADD, tics, schizo-symptoms)


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07 Jan 2014, 1:58 am

Raziel wrote:
but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD.

What does that have to do with anything?


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07 Jan 2014, 6:30 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD.

What does that have to do with anything?


A lot actually.
ppl with BPD for example write very emotional and sometimes agressive, ppl with ASD write very structured, without many emotions, detail orientated and so on. It's not always like this and there are also ppl with BPD who wouldn't write emotional, but those are tendencies you'll see a lot. This with BPD was just an example. ppl with Schizophrenia on the other hand very often wouldn't write structured without cohgerence.


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15 Jan 2014, 10:05 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments.
I probably have some unnamed disorder that sometimes looks like ASD, but has core differences.


I recognise myself in the first paragraph.

I was extensively tested for AS, they added an extra two days of testing on the standard and was told ultimatelly everything is related to my RAD. My 10-yr old DD is HFA and can not read social cues. At that age I could.



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15 Jan 2014, 4:31 pm

guzzle wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments.
I probably have some unnamed disorder that sometimes looks like ASD, but has core differences.


I recognise myself in the first paragraph.

I was extensively tested for AS, they added an extra two days of testing on the standard and was told ultimatelly everything is related to my RAD. My 10-yr old DD is HFA and can not read social cues. At that age I could.

What does RAD stand for?


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15 Jan 2014, 5:44 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
guzzle wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments.
I probably have some unnamed disorder that sometimes looks like ASD, but has core differences.


I recognise myself in the first paragraph.

I was extensively tested for AS, they added an extra two days of testing on the standard and was told ultimatelly everything is related to my RAD. My 10-yr old DD is HFA and can not read social cues. At that age I could.

What does RAD stand for?


Reactive Attachment Disorder.



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16 Jan 2014, 4:17 am

Raziel wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD.

What does that have to do with anything?


A lot actually.
ppl with BPD for example write very emotional and sometimes agressive, ppl with ASD write very structured, without many emotions, detail orientated and so on. It's not always like this and there are also ppl with BPD who wouldn't write emotional, but those are tendencies you'll see a lot. This with BPD was just an example. ppl with Schizophrenia on the other hand very often wouldn't write structured without cohgerence.


I agree with Raziel. Use of language, spoken or written, varies according to the disorder and it can be a diagnostic marker between some disorders. People with ASD are typically quite good with structural aspects of language, but poor at communicating emotions and so forth. Semantic-pragmatic disorder is one example of a diagnosis that depends on language. Someone exhibiting psychosis, such as in Schizophrenia, may exhibit 'thought disorder' which is apparent in the jumbled way that person writes or speaks.



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16 Jan 2014, 6:07 am

Sarah81 wrote:
Raziel wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD.

What does that have to do with anything?


A lot actually.
ppl with BPD for example write very emotional and sometimes agressive, ppl with ASD write very structured, without many emotions, detail orientated and so on. It's not always like this and there are also ppl with BPD who wouldn't write emotional, but those are tendencies you'll see a lot. This with BPD was just an example. ppl with Schizophrenia on the other hand very often wouldn't write structured without cohgerence.


I agree with Raziel. Use of language, spoken or written, varies according to the disorder and it can be a diagnostic marker between some disorders. People with ASD are typically quite good with structural aspects of language, but poor at communicating emotions and so forth. Semantic-pragmatic disorder is one example of a diagnosis that depends on language. Someone exhibiting psychosis, such as in Schizophrenia, may exhibit 'thought disorder' which is apparent in the jumbled way that person writes or speaks.

I can communicate my emotions just fine through writing. I just chose to make my posts on this thread more brief.


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16 Jan 2014, 3:26 pm

Solve your tiredness first, see if that changes anything else.


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31 Jan 2014, 11:45 am

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My main problem right now is a lack of energy, especially mental energy. I don't have enough energy to get school work done. I know this will cause problems when I start working.

I also have problems sticking to routines. This causes problems getting ready in the morning and being on time for routine things like school. I don't have any problems being on time for non-routine things like doctor appointments. This problem makes me doubt I'm even on the spectrum to begin with.


Both of those actually can be related to AS. If you have mental energy for things you enjoy but not things you don't enjoy, that's a characteristic of hyperfocusing. (If you don't have mental energy for things you enjoy, that suggests depression instead.) Difficulty sticking to routines is a symptom of executive dysfunction, which is common in AS. I know the stereotype is that AS people are OCD about routines, but that's only true of some people. More often, the person hates change in routine but needs external help to keep to a routine, and some people with AS don't mind change at all. (Like me.)



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01 Feb 2014, 1:33 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Sarah81 wrote:
Raziel wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Raziel wrote:
but the way you write reminds me strongly on ASD.

What does that have to do with anything?


A lot actually.
ppl with BPD for example write very emotional and sometimes agressive, ppl with ASD write very structured, without many emotions, detail orientated and so on. It's not always like this and there are also ppl with BPD who wouldn't write emotional, but those are tendencies you'll see a lot. This with BPD was just an example. ppl with Schizophrenia on the other hand very often wouldn't write structured without cohgerence.


I agree with Raziel. Use of language, spoken or written, varies according to the disorder and it can be a diagnostic marker between some disorders. People with ASD are typically quite good with structural aspects of language, but poor at communicating emotions and so forth. Semantic-pragmatic disorder is one example of a diagnosis that depends on language. Someone exhibiting psychosis, such as in Schizophrenia, may exhibit 'thought disorder' which is apparent in the jumbled way that person writes or speaks.

I can communicate my emotions just fine through writing. I just chose to make my posts on this thread more brief.


A good choice. Long posts can be hard to follow. I am not an aspie, I have bipolar. When I write my writing is thought out and I try to make it flow logically. Same if I am doing a presentation. When I am on an aspie forum, I do my best to fit in. I edit my posts for illogical inconsistencies, but I guess I fail at this a lot of the time. Like speaking a second language. Different from when I speak with an NT friend or one on one - I have emotions falling out all over the place in that context.

I think that analysing someone's language can reveal a lot about a person, and needs to be taken in context. It should not be used in isolation. However a professional diagnostician will analyze language and it's use as part of an overall profile.

Whether or not you communicate emotions well, written or spoken, as an isolated symptom, is not important. It is your overall pattern that is important. A lot of people do not communicate emotions well, and they are not Aspies.

I used 'communicating emotions' as an example of difficulty with the semantics (meaning aspects) and pragmatics of language that many people with autistic spectrum disorder live with. Such as difficulty with metaphors and other non-literal language, difficulty with understanding the social conventions of language and so forth.

That is the neurotypical interpretation of these differences. An aspie might define the problem differently and see neurotypical communication behaviour as illogical, a waste of time, etc.