The brilliantly ironic thing people say about suicide

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I mean, every single 'saying', per se, must be ironic... to the very essence of a person contemplating such a thing. Things like "imagine how much pain one will cause to one's loved ones"... uh, well, suicidal people don't generally have an infinite amount of so-called 'loved ones'... or else why would they be suicidal? Clearly, even if it's a teen living with their parents... well, clearly there must be something wrong with their relationships, even if they are, on average, functional. Clearly their parents aren't really taking care of their child, despite supposedly loving them (this wasn't my situation, I'm just trying to see it from a different point of view).

Or... of course, those uppity religious ones would say that supposedly "hell awaits" for those who die in such a way. Uh... well, I'll just assume that if a person really does have motivation to commit suicide that they're already in a living hell... and probably don't need anyone making it worse by guilt-tripping (personally, this was the last thing that could ever convince me to change my mind).

Personally, I suppose that if indeed one has no loved ones... what's the point of living anymore? (Personally, I doubt anyone will even reach my body until weeks later...)

It's ironic that people say that because it merely re-enforces the point of the spirit of suicide, I think.

You're right, but like Nietzsche said: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Nothing is forever, even if you are in a bad situation, at some point it'll have to end.... Having no "loved ones" isn't good, but it's how it is. And, if someone is this depressed -or not-, there's no use with bothering to tell to anybody; no one cares. Like Einstein said: "If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal, not to people or things". It can be really hard, but the best thing to do is to have patience, and when possible make things to change for the better. You don't resolve anything with crying, and if you bothered to tell to someone, you'd just get mocked at, being snapped at, finding yourself with even more disrespect, etc, etc. No one's gonna pity you or something like that. That's not how people are. Better to stay as logical as possible and don't let such bad emotions to overcome you.

I have been suicidal multiple times. I do have loved ones, and I am close to my family. That did not make a difference to my depression ridden mind. Your mind is not thinking right and is very selfish under major depression.

I would debate the idea of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I have lots of problems from things that didn't 'kill' me and those problems certainly aren't strengths. Also there is a problem when no one cares about the suffering of their fellow humans, and the problem lies within society not the individual who ends up overwhelmed by their mental illness or harmful social experiances.

Not everyone has the option to just not let bad emotions overcome them....not so sure its about 'letting' it happen its more being unable to prevent it from my perspective. But people suck so it certainly is possible if you tell some people about being suicidal they'll be assh*les about it and make you feel even worse though some people may just not know what to say and can unintentionally make you feel worse...if one only has hateful people in their life it would probably be better to go to an ER and tell them rather than telling those hateful people around you.

I don't know if someone had their leg cut off and was screaming about it, I wouldn't consider them selfish I would assume their brain is too busy processing the pain they are in for them to think about 'well I might hurt someones ears.' So I don't consider it selfish if someone is in so much mental pain they aren't really thinking of much else.

There is also that terrible thought of 'everyone would be better off without me' I've had that thought, and while its delusional and distorted its not really selfish.

Depression?
I mean I was suicidal and actually I've a family that I love and my family loves me and the reason you mention was one of the reasons that stopped myself from killing myself when I was heavily depressive. I even was in the locked ward at that time and I never told my family, because I didn't wanted them to worry.

My half-brother commited suicide because he had schizophrenia and couldn't stand it anymore. He was engaged and had no financial problems and a job. He still commited suicide.

There are two maintypes of suicide:
1) long planed
2) spontanious

I know, but the strength itself is with managing to continue forwards, even though everything's so difficult. Unfortunately, no one genuinely cares about other fellow humans, no. That's how it is. It's not about having an option or not, it's just I can't think of something else than to "keep fighting" , even though it's difficult, and look forwards.... Feeling suicidal-It can happen when you're depressed, because you are depressed, feel lost, like it's never going to end and there's no way out, and feel hopeless. It doesn't mean that they actually want to die, it's just they're struggling to cope with the emotional pain of their problems and feeling total despair. Someone feeling this bad can find himself/herself with being with a fragile estate, emotionally speaking. So, dealing with insensitive individuals who couldn't care less about if-Well, it isn't good. It's better to keep thigs to yourself if people is not going to show genuine respect, let alone sympathy.

I am not sure I agree that no one genuinely cares about other humans though I am quite convinced there are lots who don't. Also if one has no outlet and has to just keep it all to them self, wouldn't that lead to more suicidal feelings? I suppose that is why there is therapy and certain internet forums...I just know any time I try to totally keep it to myself it makes it worse, I assume other people experience that to. It certainly isn't a good idea to be too open about it though, I personally don't talk about how depressed I feel around most people.

I was trying to say that when depressed I did not care about how much it would hurt my beloved family members if I killed myself. Normally I do care if I did something to hurt something.

My mind when depressed also fights and turns away from seeking help, reaching out to people etc. It is not thinking right in that way too.

I live alone, too. Chances are it'll be weeks before anyone finds my corpse. I'd say I'm in danger of this happening because I have a history of a stroke and hypertension and I'm perpetually depressed. Really, I'm like a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before I go boom.

I wish more people were like you.

Sadly, my reasons for not killing myself are purely selfish. There's always something for me to look forward to, whether a higher mood or getting a chance to see and photograph a band and the possibility that I could meet them. When I have suicidal thoughts I hardly think about my loved ones, except the ones who say it's a stupid and selfish thing to do with just makes me want to do it even more to get that voice out of my head.

I'm not depressed by any environmental means but it's my own damn brain. I even think about doing it over extreme anxiety and when all the emotional pain one can experience happens at once and just spins around my brain.

Hi guys,
While I don't know any of you personally, I do come back to this forum time and time again even though there is the whole of the internet to look at.

The reason for that is that I find what you (all) say to be something worth saying; to be reasonable and rational and often uncluttered by the selfish emotional confusion of the rest of the world.

I for one would definitely miss you if you are gone.

I don't know if there's any benefit to talking about the bad stuff, maybe expressing how you feel makes you less likely to kill yourself, but it probably makes the person you're talking to more likely to kill themselves, that's been my experience anyway.

Actually, many people who die by suicide DID have loved ones, it's just that they couldn't see that they did.
Depression is an illness that makes you FEEL alone and FEEL as though nobody cares. It bares no relation to how alone or not you are.
When my brother was ill (sectioned, suicidal etc) he often talked as though nobody cared. However my parents and myself all cared deeply.
When I struggle with depression I will feel as though I'm alone, and have to keep telling myself that it isn't true.

If I ever off myself I don't think I'd bother leaving a note. The people who get it, I've already told. They'd be sad, angry even, but they'd get it. The others, including those who should be my " loved ones" fall into two camps. 1. I've told them, sometimes several times, been humiliated by their response, and concluded they will never get it. 2. Realised they can not process so much as a differing point of view , let alone a different neurology; so there is no point telling them my deepest darkest thoughts. They are too busy climbing the corporate ladder and taking selfies.

but hey suicide is such a selfish act.

That would be another reason I am selective about who I would talk to about it.