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08 Feb 2017, 10:54 am

So I think I'm great.
Worse part is, I think I have a valid reason for believing so.
I can create an A.I. that hasn't been created before (for some reason) and I've worked my entire life up to this point to be able to make it.
I'm only a few mathematical equations off, but I really think I will become super wealthy or powerful if I launch this thing.
Even if I am though, am I still suffering from a delusion or not?



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08 Feb 2017, 11:57 am

No, because that's a legit reason to feel great. It seems no one is allowed to feel great about themselves without being accused of being a narcissist or delusional.



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08 Feb 2017, 6:09 pm

You aren't delusional because you are actually working to make something happen.



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29 Sep 2018, 5:30 am

It's exactly what i do!! !
Are you really a girl? I thought only guys dream to take over the world?
The funny part is, all my algorithms and simulations are made in Ecmascript, so it looks more like dumb browser games xD



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30 Sep 2018, 6:13 pm

This_Amoeba wrote:
No, because that's a legit reason to feel great. It seems no one is allowed to feel great about themselves without being accused of being a narcissist or delusional.

I've been trying to make a point about that several times. Terms like "narcissist" and "sociopath" get thrown around all the time without any clear understanding of what the words mean.

Like just because you are self-centered and think you are great that doesn't automatically make you a narcissist. Just like breaking the law doesn't automatically make you a sociopath.

I wish people would quit throwing these terms around all the time as if they are experts. Humans are way too complex to fully understand.



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01 Oct 2018, 8:20 pm

I actually dated a girl who was like this. She was an obvious aspie... undiagnosed. She totally sucked at her special interest and it was kinda sad how deluded she was about it.

I hope your AI doesn't enslave humanity er something.



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01 Oct 2018, 9:28 pm

salowevision wrote:
I actually dated a girl who was like this. She was an obvious aspie... undiagnosed. She totally sucked at her special interest and it was kinda sad how deluded she was about it.

I hope your AI doesn't enslave humanity er something.

Be glad she wasn't an actual narcissist. You would have hooked up with one abusive monster if she was.



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01 Oct 2018, 9:43 pm

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Be glad she wasn't an actual narcissist. You would have hooked up with one abusive monster if she was.


Oh bro, trust me, she was all of those things. All the horrible manifestations of aspergers and a life of never feeling good enough... I pity the next fool she tricks into thinking she's worth more than a quick f**k.



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01 Oct 2018, 9:59 pm

OP I wasn't trying to say you suck at your special interest I'm sure it's marvelous... didn't really think about how that came across



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01 Oct 2018, 10:02 pm

Be careful. I've experimented pretty extensively with polymorphic databasing as it relates to crypto & AI. It's a ready-made obsession. Everyone in my life called me crazy. They dragged me to the psychiatric hospital & I lost all my progress.

It's not a delusion, this stuff is possible but people aren't ready to understand it.


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01 Oct 2018, 10:31 pm

According to the internet:

A delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer’s).

People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.


So a delusion of grandeur is a false belief. Which means that if you create something that has never been created before then it is not a false belief. But since what you have created is "a work in progess", it means that you must work out the bugs and get your A.I. to work properly before you can claim credit. It would also be good to produce something that actually has merit and is useful.

(Also always keep a back-up. Far too often, one's work gets destroyed by accident.)


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01 Oct 2018, 10:39 pm

salowevision wrote:
I hope your AI doesn't enslave humanity er something.


One of the common fears pedaled in today's world is that computers and A.I. will take over the human race. I personally don't buy this reasoning. This is because machines break down and software contains far too many bugs. We are a long ways off from machines repairing themselves. Machines are also generally incapable of thinking out of the box. Life is full of almost an infinite number of variables.


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01 Oct 2018, 10:47 pm

Actually the weird things about AI in this regard are twofold; 1: If you start as open source & get practically anything running, you can get others to build on it. 2: Possible new features of programs like these reveal themselves as you're working on one.

It's not actually a delusion that these things can be immensely influential but then that's why everyone is paranoid about them. The world was quite simply not going to let me build a multinational data mining empire at 24 years old. People close to you may sabotage your work out of jealousy, spite, paranoia & what have you. Encrypt your machine(s), make paper notes, digital archives of those, you get the idea.


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02 Oct 2018, 4:32 pm

jimmy m wrote:
According to the internet:

A delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer’s).

People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.


So a delusion of grandeur is a false belief. Which means that if you create something that has never been created before then it is not a false belief. But since what you have created is "a work in progess", it means that you must work out the bugs and get your A.I. to work properly before you can claim credit. It would also be good to produce something that actually has merit and is useful.

(Also always keep a back-up. Far too often, one's work gets destroyed by accident.)

Bipolar Disorder you say? Hmm... I wonder if I ever suffer delusions of grandeur?

For the most part I try to be a nice person but if I'm not taking my medication right I completely change. :|



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02 Oct 2018, 4:33 pm

TakeOver wrote:
... I can create an A.I. that hasn't been created before (for some reason) and I've worked my entire life up to this point to be able to make it. I'm only a few mathematical equations off, but I really think I will become super wealthy or powerful if I launch this thing. Even if I am though, am I still suffering from a delusion or not?
We will know that this is not a delusion when you produce a working A.I. system.



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02 Oct 2018, 7:06 pm

Yeah, you aren't delusional if you can back it up.