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04 May 2012, 6:04 pm

Homosexuality does have a genetic basis. Everything has a genetic basis and especially when it comes to default behavior. One cannot change one's nature but one can only suppress it. I encourage the OP to look into the ex-gay movement. It becomes clear that sexual orientation has some sort of genetic basis.

Here's some food for thought: it used to be common practice to believe that children were autistic because of their parents upbringing. And then it was discovered autism (surprise, surprise) can be caused by certain genes.

Now, I saw this in a TED talk, a genius woman has done brain scans on some children with autism and discovered a lot of them were misdiagnosed with autism. And they were having mini seizures in their brain. These mini seizures mimicked a lot of the symptoms of autism.

Saying something is the sole, one cause of something is too simple. The world is much more complex than that. Environmental factors also play a role, but I think it is far more genetically based than anything.



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04 May 2012, 6:14 pm

So what were those kids diagnosed with eventually? seems odd to change a diagnosis because of a brain scan.


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04 May 2012, 7:47 pm

Bun wrote:
So what were those kids diagnosed with eventually? seems odd to change a diagnosis because of a brain scan.


The Link to the TED Talk. This could explain it a lot better than I can.



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07 May 2012, 10:19 pm

I think there can be various reasons for people's gender preference. I know identical twins that were brought up the exact same way. One of them is gay and the other is straight. I also know other identical twins that are both gay. A girl I know has five aunts, and all of them have one gay off-spring and at least couple of straight ones.

In my case, I'm pretty sure that I was born gay. I was into girls from a pretty young age. I was bullied in school, by the girls. I've been abused by both women and men (so if anything, I should be A-sexual if that should be the reason). My parents repeatedly tried to get me to dress in skirts and dresses when I was little, and to play with dolls and the toys that some people consider to be toys for girls. They eventually gave up on it because I would have none of it. Also, my cousin is gay, and I have loads of gay relatives.


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09 May 2012, 2:43 am

My mom thinks that my attraction to other women is the result of never being emotionally close to my dad. Dunno where she gets that idea, since she was never close to her dad either but wound up being straight.



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11 May 2012, 2:30 am

Pileo wrote:
Bun wrote:
Pileo wrote:
From my basic understanding:

Attraction is surprisingly biological. Your bodies goal, no matter your personal goal is, is to have strong and healthy children. When searching for a mate, your body is looking for someone that compliments you genetically and immune system-ly (could not think of a word). Everyone has their own signature smells and pheromones that they produce to accomplish this. Males and females, of course, produce different pheromones and smells due their sex hormones. In homosexuals, their bodies like smells and pheromones from the same sex (for the most part). Just like everything else, there are exceptions to the rules. It is possible to make changes to the brain through the epigenome and nurture. How big the changes and which makes the changes, epigenome or nuture, is up for the debate. For all we know, the epigenome is the tool nurture uses to make changes.

Personally, I don't think the changes can be that big if it's just nurture and there's no traumatic event. People have tried to nurture homosexuals out of homosexuality for centuries. You'd think it work the other way too.

Mind you, this is "find a mate" attraction and not "what you're willing to have sexual relations with". The porn industry is proof enough that people will 'do' anything and anyone. :lol: Also, just because we don't have a genetic link now, doesn't mean we won't. There are thousands of genes to figure out and we only just begun. Not to mention it's much more important to find genes of genetic diseases than it is to find the "Gay Gene(s)".

You might call me an idiot inwardly while reading my question, but what about the sexual attractions of people who can't smell?...


Nah, that's a pretty good question and to be honest, I have no idea. My previous post is what I've learned in my classes and from documentaries. I am no professional by any means. However, my guess it depends on what specifically caused the person to lose their sense of smell.

It's because our ability to detect pheromones and our ability to detect odors (such as, for example, gasoline) are not the same thing. Pheromone-detection is a different gland.


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11 May 2012, 10:26 am

No. I think genetics and arousal make more difference.



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11 May 2012, 1:28 pm

i beleive in the gay gene. most of my family is gay.



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24 May 2012, 10:30 pm

I do not think sexuality is as black & white as genetic vs environmental. Saying genetic gives the impression that homosexuality could be inherited & I am not aware of any scientific evidence of a gay gene. Saying it's environmental gives the impression that being homosexual or straight is entirely based on how the person grows up. I believe numerous things can affect someones sexuality.


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30 May 2012, 9:24 pm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 053012.DTL

^ seems pertinent to the dialogue, and yet keeps it on the light side. (Mark Morford of SF newspaper).



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31 May 2012, 4:10 am

I believe you are not born gay, and it is a choice.



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31 May 2012, 8:59 am

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I believe you are not born gay, and it is a choice.

How is that choice made? Did you suddently decide one day when you hit puberty that you were going to be straight? or did you contemplate choices a while H decided to be straight instead of gay or bi or something?


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31 May 2012, 12:32 pm

These responses have been very insightful.


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16 Jun 2012, 9:26 pm

Well, from my own personal experience in life, I feel that I was born this way. I grew up not even knowing what gay was, it wasn't talked about when I was younger and then when I was clued in I was under the impression that it was something that only affected men. The reason I wasn't privy to the realities of homosexuality wasn't because my parents tried to keep it from me or anything like that, there was just simply never a need to discuss it. I never asked about it.

That being said, I don't see how my enviroment contributed to me being a lesbian. I was raised in a stable family with two parents, my mother stayed home with me and my younger sister and my father was in the Air Force. There was no marital strife, no abuse, nothing. My parents were incredibly loving and spent so much time and money trying to figure out why I had such a rough go of things as a kid. (I was never diagnosed with Asperger's as a kid formally, though it was suspected) They encouraged me to do my best with the hand I'd been dealt and always made sure that I was learning something and that they were nurturing me the best that they knew how.

As far back as I can remember I had feelings for girls and a sexual attraction towards girls, but it never registered because I wasn't aware that being gay (or lesbian, rather) was something that I could be. I just knew I didn't like boys and they made me feel "icky". As a child I would tell myself that I would grow out of that "icky" feeling and be "normal" once I was a teenager. That didn't happen. I forced myself into the heteronormative mold to the point of near self destruction for many years.

It wasn't until high school that someone asked me if I could be gay. Which I denied, because, well, girls can't be gay. But eventually it started making sense. Everything I had felt growing up, the crushes, the "icky" feelings towards men and boys. Still, it was a long road out of the closet and I still struggle with accepting it.

I've always been an outcast in life, always been made fun of, always had very few friends and people to confide in and spent my entire school career being bullied for being different. If anything, that kept my homosexuality from coming out. My mind knew (subconsciously) that I didn't need one more thing to be bullied about. What I'm getting at is this- having gone through what I've gone through I would NEVER CHOOSE to be a lesbian. Never. I'm already disliked and somewhat disadvantage for not being part of the neurotypical norm so why in the world would I make myself out to be even more of an outcast? Especially in this day and age where we have people saying that all gay people should be killed by the government and such? I mean really? Who would choose that for themselves?

I've searched and searched for a reason why I'm a lesbian but honestly, there isn't one. This is who I am and this is who I've always been. I don't think it's a choice to be gay but I do think that we have a choice to acknowledge it to ourselves and then to come out of the closet. But who we are is who we are and there isn't anything you can do about that.


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17 Jun 2012, 5:09 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
These responses have been very insightful.


In your case, it might very well be the environment. And I'd have reason to think so. But to actually pursue relations with males means you have that capacity in you. Someone else, given your exact same living environment, would not do the same thing. I wouldn't!

More food for thought; humans are not the only animals that have homosexual behavior. Animals do too. Yes, animals can make choices like humans but mating behavior tends to be more instinct. So it was probably ingrained in them in some way.



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17 Jun 2012, 10:18 pm

I read a study that male homosexuality is more likely to be genetic than female homosexuality.

I think it's genetic though. I mean yeah there are stories like that, or the girl on America's Next Top Model who was sexually abused by a man and is now a lesbian because of it; but how do you explain children from loving families who received both male and female attention being gay?