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SickInDaHead
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27 Nov 2012, 4:30 am

jk1 wrote:

I can relate to the initiator of the thread.

I am a male and I feel gender policing against men are worse. After all when people talk about equality, they tend to have women's interests in mind rather than both. So the term "equality" is used so that women benefit from it. For example, I noticed that at work, when a man says "It's a ladys' task", he gets in serious trouble for being sexist, but there are many tasks that only men have to do as if there's no such thing as gender equality. If a man complains about that, some will disapprove of him for being "unmanly". Whatever the cause of this sort of double standards, this is pure sexism in a true sense. There are other examples I could mention, but I don't to avoid being lengthy.

I think the liberation from gender roles has happened to a much greater extent for women than for men. That's why people are not even aware of a lot of sex discrimination against men. And those men who are aware of it cannot really say it because the society disapproves of them as being unmanly, whereas a woman who "stands up for women's rights" are regarded as "brave". So, at the moment men don't even have the means for achieving equality and liberation from gender role.

I want to write a bit more, but I don't want to be too lengthy. So I stop here.

I don't think women were liberated in a sense of having gained anything, or much more than you can gain from advancing yourself by trodding on others. The "liberation" of women did not come from any real progress other than the denigration of men, and that only goes so far. Many women reap what they sow on this, but won't let go of the present system, and get pretty much what they are bargaining for.

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27 Nov 2012, 11:15 am

Noodlebug wrote:

I think a Men's Liberation movement is much needed, but sadly, I don't see many men that would care to take part.

Such men would have to first admit that they need liberation, and thus admit, by default, that they are not 'Alphas' in their own lives, and thereby risk censure from real 'Alphas' for being 'wusses'.

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01 Dec 2012, 7:59 pm

Fnord wrote:

Noodlebug wrote:

I think a Men's Liberation movement is much needed, but sadly, I don't see many men that would care to take part.

I think that's the best liberation, though. Not caring what other Men think of your masculinity. It can get hard at times, but I've learned to shrug off the opinions of anyone who tries to judge me by my manliness, or lack thereof.

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06 Jan 2013, 3:41 am

I hate gender policing greatly.

I haven't personally faced much gender policing, but I'm very exposed to people who do go through it. It makes me feel kind of depressed. I don't follow gender roles myself and am my own person.

mercifullyfree
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08 Jan 2013, 3:20 pm

I think slut shaming is how women tend to gender police each other.

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08 Jan 2013, 4:12 pm

Just what, pray, are men to be liberated from? Is it such an imposition to acknowledge that there is no such thing as, "men's work," and "women's work?' It is such an imposition to acknowledge that not all men and women conform to expectations of social sex roles?

If we are talking about liberating men for the purpose of enabling retrograde behaviour, then why is such a movement needed?

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08 Jan 2013, 10:10 pm

mercifullyfree wrote:

I think slut shaming is how women tend to gender police each other.

Slut-shaming isn't limited to one gender, and it's not just gender policing. That girl that was recently repeatedly raped whilst unconscious in Stubenville, OH is being called a slut etc. by loads of people and blaming her for that situation happening.

Slut-shaming is basically a way to blame victims at it's very worst.

Slut-shaming is a nightmare in my mind right now. People don't always seem to really think about the consequences of their words about and toward victims of violence.

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09 Jan 2013, 5:50 pm

Agreed. ^^

Just to elaborate on my one line post, as an atypical and previously very "active" female, slut shaming is probably just the biggest type of gender policing I've experienced. Dressing like a guy, having butch hair, etc... I've never really experienced either men or women being negative at me for that (granted, I lived in a relatively liberal area compared to others and am very possibly oblivious if it were subtle). HOWEVER, if you openly like casual sex as a woman in the same way that it is assumed a guy does, that's when the black carpet of negative judgements are rolled out for you.

I actually hate gender policing in either direction. If someone is blathering about how a guy should be a "Real Man," I want to punch them. Men are just people and are a diverse lot, and that's much better than all men being a stupid action hero stereotype. The world would suck if all men acted the same and I think hatred of men who have "effeminate" traits betrays underlying misogyny.

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08 Feb 2013, 2:49 am

This guy is the perfect example of gender policing:

http://youtu.be/fTiBv99MYDk

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08 Feb 2013, 5:20 am

I actually didn't watch the video because when I saw the title I knew it's not worth my time even if it's a few minutes. Those bigots can say what they want to say. Only their kind will take such rubbish seriously. Others will only have contempt for them. Those people only bring unnecessary trouble to the world. I even pity them for being so blindly passionate about useless things.

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08 Feb 2013, 11:44 am

It's even worse when you're transsexual because people expect you to prove your gender.

Why do we have to prove ourselves?

Some people use gender policing to try and invalidate transsexuals. It's like we have to be 90-100% stereotypical to be accepted.

Cisgendered people can have a sense of variety, why can't we? I'm not 1 dimensional. I'm a person.

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11 Feb 2013, 12:40 am

seaturtleisland wrote:

I hate that with a passion. If I want to live the life of a man, than let me do so. I take pride in my biceps and primitive features. I feel blessed to look like Mick Avory. I'd actually be afraid to be seen if I looked like the majority of the fairer sex. I never did want to be female, so let me live the life of a man and find someone else to order around and I will buy and use the heavier weights a thank you.

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