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20 Nov 2013, 12:37 am

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I wouldn't say we're in a minority. Only other transgirl I know is also ASD. But she's pretty messed up in other ways.

But yeah, we do exist.

I do wonder if trans* people with ASDs are less likely to get help, and more likely to commit suicide. It seems established that people with ASDs are more likely to be transgendered, but given that most gender-variant people keep it under wraps or don't transition (the figure is 1/250 for frequency, and quite possibly higher - it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we were wrong by a whole order of magnitude on the frequency of pretty much everything psychological, simply because no-one bothered to check), perhaps people with ASDs are simply more likely to go ahead and do what they need to?


I wonder if we can create a specific organization or at least networking group for ASD/trans people.



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20 Nov 2013, 12:43 am

^ You can, so why not do it?



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20 Nov 2013, 1:47 am

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^ You can, so why not do it?


How would I do that? I guess PM'ing the people in this thread first?


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20 Nov 2013, 2:55 am

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It does suck doesn't it, like you're stagnating and not making any progress and may never make any progress? I feel for you, as I'm going through the same dang thing.


I have spent many hours, sometimes all night searching and reading about trans issues here, and I have read many of your posts. I like reading ASD/Trans people's experiences.

My ASD means my mind is not at peace, not at harmony with the world; it is always in a "think mode". Some of your posts (for example, "Do facial tics make others think I am crazy?), appear symptomatic of "think mode".

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making any progress


It would be horror to somehow live as a pretend man, and it is horror to try to function as an ASD-trans-woman.
Either way it is bad, and that is why I think of suicide. My dilemma is either I live as an ASD-trans-woman, or I kill myself. :cry:

I would make an easily passable trans woman if it were not for my ASD. Trans is not the problem, the ASD is.

I have made a lot of progress.

It took me many years to get past the psychological damage, and rebuild my self-confidence. I am happier than ever despite my dilemma.



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20 Nov 2013, 3:11 pm

[quote="Magneto"]I wouldn't say we're in a minority. Only other transgirl I know is also ASD. But she's pretty messed up in other ways.

But yeah, we do exist.

I do wonder if trans* people with ASDs are less likely to get help, and more likely to commit suicide. It seems established that people with ASDs are more likely to be transgendered, but given that most gender-variant people keep it under wraps or don't transition (the figure is 1/250 for frequency, and quite possibly higher - it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we were wrong by a whole order of magnitude on the frequency of pretty much everything psychological, simply because no-one bothered to check), perhaps people with ASDs are simply more likely to go ahead and do what they need to?[/quote]

I can vouch for the fact (in my experience) that I'm less likely to get help. I've been having a very difficult time recently finding a good counselor. I know other trans folk have had problems accessing services. Professionals can be hostile towards trans people. This is not good since they (psychologists and psychiatrists) are the gateway to receiving needed help and supports for ASD related challenges.



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20 Nov 2013, 3:43 pm

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I do wonder if trans* people with ASDs are less likely to get help, and more likely to commit suicide.



The problem is that as a kid there is so much torture: sensory torture, ridicule from having learning disabilities, body dysphoria, non-development of a personality, wrong hormones physically hurting my brain, conversational speech disability, depression, low self-esteem, suicidal thoughts. I had all this.

I was so beaten down so early that I did not want to see doctors because that would validate all the people who tormented me. All my torturers win if I go to a doctor and admit I have a problem. It is like me agreeing with them.

I can see ASD-trans people not getting help early, and that leads to suicide.



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05 Dec 2013, 3:48 am

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The trans community is very "dog eat dog," very "if you can't provide for yourself, don't expect us to do anything except maybe lobby politicians in a futile manner." When I was having my breakdowns over not being able to get surgery and feeling powerless to change my situations (say, by changing jobs to a better one, moving to a better location, etc.) in order to get it, I don't think I had any support from the trans community. My parents even remarked, "Where's this trans community of yours? Can't you get any help from them?"

If a recent conversation on Reddit I had with the moderator of /r/trans is any indication, nope. The only thing they'll do for you is recommend you see a mental health professional, who will turn around and recommend you back to the tarns community.

I no longer go to the trans community, except for limited purposes online. Being stuck in a state of self-preservation, I'm in no position to make any change.

If, however, I can get to a state of self-actualization and get some money, I would want to create my own trans organizations with my own philosophy and work to better serve the trans community, then the current attitude of only working toward social or political change, not providing much in the way of direct support to actual members of the community (wanting instead to sit back and demand the political system do it).

I would want to provide actual hope.

EDIT: They're not particularly friendly when it comes to neurodiversity:


Trans person with autism as well (FTM).

The trans community I have experienced locally is not like this. To be honest, people on the internet tend to be smug, self-righteous bastards. The psuedo-anonymity tends to make them forget their matters. I wouldn't be surprised that people on tumblr and reddit would give you half-hearted advice.

I have already decided that if I became wealthy and well known that I would provide surgery scholarships and trans-exclusive mentor ship programs, with direct ties to job paying industries.
The trans community needs solutions and resources. And, let's be honest, that these are extremely hard to come by nowadays.

I have talked to many trans people about making a trans cabal, and am not taken very seriously. We would put people in our community in positions and sectors in the economy where money flow is good, places where senior transfolk would offer positions and apprenticeships to younger transfolk that need it. It is possible too. For example, there are a lot of transfolk in the computer science industry and VLSI technologies. Look up Lynn Conway. I don't think she is in a cabal per say, but she is in a place of influence.

You seem to have an attitude and outlook very similar to mine, and we should talk more.

PM me?



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12 Dec 2013, 8:21 am

My son is in a relationship with a trans female..(she was born male and lives HER life has male)...she is amazing, not selfish, she will interact with the family and most of all she makes my son happy...she however hates the trans community because they are all out for themselves..(her words, not mine)....she lives with us in the uk...(she is American) because her family did not understand how she feels...and I admit I was a little "freaked out" about it all but she is open and i can ask her anything...and now I have gained the best daughter in law to be i could ever ask for....



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12 Dec 2013, 9:51 am

Eh? She lives her life as male - so she hasn't transitioned?

If the twitstorms I see are any indication, there's a lot of mudslinging, often from transgendered people - defending cisphobia, for example (see, 'cis scum must die'). But then, I see that in pretty much every group, ranging from political, to religious, to which planets to colonise... I suppose it's because they are ultimately political questions, and politics is the mind killer.



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12 Dec 2013, 10:15 am

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Eh? She lives her life as male - so she hasn't transitioned?

If the twitstorms I see are any indication, there's a lot of mudslinging, often from transgendered people - defending cisphobia, for example (see, 'cis scum must die'). But then, I see that in pretty much every group, ranging from political, to religious, to which planets to colonise... I suppose it's because they are ultimately political questions, and politics is the mind killer.


no sorry..he lives his life has FEMALE...sorry didnt explain myself to well...



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12 Dec 2013, 10:34 am

Well, *she* lives *her* life as *female*... :p



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18 Dec 2013, 2:32 pm

My groups kind of like that, in a way. In that, it is more a tactic of keeping your mind off things than really helping much, but that's what works for some people.



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18 Dec 2013, 3:21 pm

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My groups kind of like that, in a way. In that, it is more a tactic of keeping your mind off things than really helping much, but that's what works for some people.


I would think that autistics, though, would have a harder time with just getting their minds off things. Maybe it's that factor that I have difficulty with.


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18 Dec 2013, 5:36 pm

I don't respond well to topic changes, that's for sure. Especially because I'm a natural ranter, I have to rant first to get things out of my system. The meetings designed to keep my mind off stuff don't really let me have a time to do that, so while I feel better in some ways, I also feel worse in others.



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25 Dec 2013, 10:08 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but how large is the transsexual/transgender community? Do any of us know what percentage of the broader LGBT community it is? I have never knowingly met a transgendered individual, so I must wonder if it's a small part of the already small broader LGBT community. Maybe that's why they are not organized into a coherent social force.



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26 Dec 2013, 9:31 am

Well, that depends. Are you talking about people who have had SAS (sex alignment surgery; since everyone seems to be using different terms, I thought I'd throw that out there), people who have transitioned, people who have a gender identity that's not cis...? The former will get you the sorts of figures often bandied around of 1 in 10,000 people being transgendered, the latter is much closer to 1 in 100 (it seems to be around 1:200 people are trans*, but most of them aren't transitioned - or are and are in stealth).

Though I suspect, if people were able to be completely open about everything, we'd find that people who are deemed neurotypical (cisgendered, non-autistic, heterosexual, lacking any mental disorders etc) will be in a surprisingly small minority.