What do you think about transrace and transabled?

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How society reacts to and relates to transgender is clearly in a state of rapid and active evolution. From what I can tell, in most western cultures that evolution has evolved to the following at present:

It is discriminatory to refuse to accept a person's perceived gender as their gender.

Sexual reassignment surgery is not a requirement or criteria to validate a person's perceived gender as their gender; meaning, as long as a person believes they are a gender opposite of their biological gender (chromosomal), that perceived gender should be accepted by society even if they retain the genitalia they were born with or even if they choose not to receive hormone therapies, etc.

It's also not socially acceptable to question a person's reasons for perceiving their gender to be something other than their "biological" gender or require that they prove their motives are genuine, legitimate, etc.

Based on the above, I honestly believe it would be hypocritical for anyone to denounce or refuse to accept someone's perception that they identify with a different race and believe themselves to be "trans-racial". How could transgender acceptance be argued as valid and correct but trans-racial be considered bogus? I cry foul on that. My wife grew up in a major metropolitan area and went to a public high school in which the ratio of white to minority students was balanced. There were many white students who grew up in racially balanced neighborhoods and whose friends were often largely of another race. The white students shared the same interests, used the same vernacular as their minority friends, etc. if such a white person, for example, would say that they very much identify as "black", who is anyone else to tell them that's false? That it's just "in their head"?

I also believe that people who identify as a gender or race that is considered "protected" or is considered a "minority" in regard to legal preference (government loans, scholarships, etc) should absolutely be able to be eligible for such benefits.

Bottom line, is I think trans-racial has to be accepted if transgender is accepted. They both have to be considered legitimate for the same reason. Or, they're both illegitimate. In my opinion, you can't have one be legitimate (transgender) and one (trans-racial) be illegitimate. The Principle of Non-Contradiction is applicable here.

I draw the line at the legitimacy of a person who would theoretically seek societal/legal acceptance identifying as something that is non-human (e.g an animal). From a biological perspective though, trans-racial in my opinion certainly seems to be prime for validity given the long lineage each person has and the possibility that a person who identifies as another race may very well have such ancestry in their genetic make up.

I think they have serious personality disorders.

Race is not subjective. If your entire family is from China and nobody in your family has ever left China then there is no possible way that you can be hispanic.

Likewise if you have all four limbs in working condition then you cannot identify as an amputee.

I don't believe in gender, there's no scientific grounds for it. What there is grounds for is sex and this is biological. Its not subjective. I think that most transgender people rely on false sexual stereotypes.

There are however intersex people who are born with abnormal sexual characteristics. I think for these people it's up to them to decide what sex they identify with.

I do not hate those with these conditions but if their perception does not match biological reality then their perception is wrong. I understand that its not a choice and causes great distress but I don't think we should be promoting them.

Unfortunately for these folx... there is nothing they can do to stop others from using a term that developed by combining sections of other words. The idea that it's "appropriated and co-opted" is incorrect. In order for this to be that, it would mean those who use the world would have needed previous knowledge of the other meaning of the word and they'd need to intentionally want to use some of it's meaning for their own benefit. Since this was a term that was almost certainly created from the ground up by making a portmanteau of transgender and racial the only co-opting would be from the transgender community. To make an argument of it being harmful they'd need to first understand the implications on how those boundaries are being crossed, acknowledge their limited involvement and control of the creation of the term and then ask very nicely that people stop using it. Instead this statement accuses those who use the term of things they didn't do, which really doesn't motivate anyone to change behavior.



This is super true... the anti-SJW folks certainly love to have ideas like this to try to tear us down. Those buttheads!

Transsexualism is backed up by mountains of research dating back to the 1930's, with countless studies by sexologists, biologists, neurologists, psychologists, and dozens of other scientific disciplines demonstrating that gender is not a social construct but a neurological phenomenon within the cortex of the brain, which can influence a person's cognitive strengths and behavioral patterns, as well as innate sense of identity.

The scholars of race, on the other hand, have failed to consistently prove that there are any biological differences between the races beyond superficial traits (skin color, bone structure etc.) and some genetic risk factors for diseases.

But oh, let's just keep pretending that these things are in any way comparable!

Yes, I'm a transsexual, and I'm also from the same city where Rachel Dolezal headed the NAACP. This is kind of a touchy subject for me :T

I'm going to disagree with you here.

Would you agree or disagree that transsexualism could be defined as one's perception of themselves belonging to a gender different than their biological sex?

I think I once saw a guy who was transabled and had deliberately cut his own leg(s) off. It was on Jerry Springer. Go figure.

I think it might be like Munchausen Syndrome, where a person fakes having all kinds of illnesses and enjoy all the attention, drama and sympathy they get.

I'm sure the vast majority of disabled people think they shouldn't be disabled.

Since there is a lack of academic literature and medical research into both of these; its hard to form an informed opinion about them. As a trans woman, I will admit that I fear being compared to or associated with either phenomenon; being transgender already carries with it a negative stigma of being outside the bounds of "normal." Many would recoil at the thought of voluntarily becoming disabled. I struggle to empathize with the idea. Being disabled is typically involuntary and shared experience is an essential part of building identity in a community. Given the racial tensions in the general human population, I lean towards seeing the idea of changing one's race as something that is diminutive, undermining and trivializing; specifically to those racial identities that are underrepresented and face discrimination. One's racial identity is typically seen as something that is innate and unchangeable. Yet race is a social construct, just as gender is. Were I to interact with someone who self-identified as transrace or transabled; I hope I would put aside my prejudice and privilege. I know I've experienced plenty of prejudice, rejection, and harassment from cisgendered people who conflate sex/gender/gender-identity and believe it to be an inborn unchangeable binary. Having only recently discovered my own autism, I'm not sure how to relate this subject to it.

And after writing all this, I'm left not knowing what to think about transrace and transabled.

It's actually called body identity disorder. It is a real thing.

Race and disability are not related to sex or gender, so transrace and transability don't have anything to do with transgenderism, let alone LGBT. They're absolutely nuts regardless and I think - I hope - it's only a confused tumblr teenager phenomenon.

There is an important and objective difference between transgenderism and these two phase conditions: sex and gender are universal among all human cultures, and people may be born intersex without their biological parents being such. This suggests that transgenderism is an intersex condition of the nervous system. There are no interrace or interability conditions in the same way there are intersex conditions; biracialism is a predictable and direct result of reproduction between two people of different races, while intersex conditions occur by chance to normally fertile parents, often due to prenatal events. And lastly there is no scientific evidence that transrace is a real neurological condition, while there are studies showing differences between transgenders and normally gendered people.

Your desire to be one-handed is an issue of dysmorphia, while your desire to be a man is an issue of dysphoria. Dysmorphia involves delusions about one's own body and a tendency or desire to directly injure or harm it. Dysphoria, on the other hand, does not involve delusions; transgenders know what their biological reality is - female-to-male transgenders don't believe they have penises that produce sperm, and male-to-female transgenders don't believe they have vaginas that produce ova - and are highly uncomfortable with it.

That's also what I think. I think their feelings are also as intense as the feelings of transgender people.

I wish them clarity free of delusive hinderance.

I'll judge the people on their own personal merits if ever I meet one.