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17 May 2019, 8:09 am

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One of the guys that’s one of the leaders of my former church is constantly ranting and raving about homosexuality (gay men in particular).

Since it comes up so often with him, those of us in the apostate community suspect that he is actually gay, but due to religious dogma, feels like he has to constantly condemn it. I think that sometimes there’s something to be said for “protesting too much.”

Similarly, my grandmother had an affair with a woman (which she thinks no one knows anything about), and she’d frequently accuse me of doing sexual stuff with my friends as I was growing up.

It’s just really sad when religious dogma keeps people from being who they really are and can make them so judgmental at the same time.

Of course, not all homophobes are secretly gay (so this post may not be very relevant) but studies suggest that some are.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird ... -to-be-gay

Psychological projection.
I hate something in myself. I deny it in myself. But I see it everywhere in others. And hate it.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/emotiona ... -emotions/


I’m glad you brought this up!

I’ve been observing this sort of behavior a lot lately. It seems to be especially common among depressed persons. The homophobic religious leader appears constantly angry and was recently secretly filmed buying around $1,000 worth of alcohol. My grandmother suffers from depression, and my sister-in-law (who I noticed was projecting recently) is depressed as well.

I think it’s a human tendency that we can and probably all have been guilty of, but it’s really helpful to understand how it can lead to certain misconceptions and behaviors and could, perhaps, help us avoid them.



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17 May 2019, 8:24 am

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It seems to be especially common among depressed persons.

That's a very interesting remark!
The two persons from my life I associate with projection the most were indeed very unhappy with their lifes, possibly depressed. Also, very self-centered, even when doing things for others ("Look, I'm so altruistic, I'm doing this and that for those ungrateful others!")


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17 May 2019, 8:26 am

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One of the guys that’s one of the leaders of my former church is constantly ranting and raving about homosexuality (gay men in particular). Since it comes up so often with him, those of us in the apostate community suspect that he is actually gay, but due to religious dogma, feels like he has to constantly condemn it...
Similarly, my grandmother had an affair with a woman (which she thinks no one knows anything about), and she’d frequently accuse me of doing sexual stuff with my friends as I was growing up...
It's called "Virtue Signalling" -- the conspicuous expression of moral values, especially piety among those who claim to be religious. It's also "Hypocrisy" -- the practical philosophy of "Do as I say, not as I do".

It's like when my alcoholic, chain-smoking father would go on rants against people who smoked marijuana, because HE would NEVER stoop so low as to fill his body with junk.

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17 May 2019, 8:29 am

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17 May 2019, 8:30 am

magz wrote:
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It seems to be especially common among depressed persons.

That's a very interesting remark!
The two persons from my life I associate with projection the most were indeed very unhappy with their lifes, possibly depressed. Also, very self-centered, even when doing things for others ("Look, I'm so altruistic, I'm doing this and that for those ungrateful others!")


Yes! Self-centered (perhaps due to an inferiority complex in the people I know)!

Attempting to figure people out is really interesting. It also helps me, in turn, approach them from a less judgmental stance, not that I’m always very good at that.



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14 Jun 2019, 6:59 pm

magz wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
One of the guys that’s one of the leaders of my former church is constantly ranting and raving about homosexuality (gay men in particular).

Since it comes up so often with him, those of us in the apostate community suspect that he is actually gay, but due to religious dogma, feels like he has to constantly condemn it. I think that sometimes there’s something to be said for “protesting too much.”

Similarly, my grandmother had an affair with a woman (which she thinks no one knows anything about), and she’d frequently accuse me of doing sexual stuff with my friends as I was growing up.

It’s just really sad when religious dogma keeps people from being who they really are and can make them so judgmental at the same time.

Of course, not all homophobes are secretly gay (so this post may not be very relevant) but studies suggest that some are.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird ... -to-be-gay

Psychological projection.
I hate something in myself. I deny it in myself. But I see it everywhere in others. And hate it.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/emotiona ... -emotions/


My mom often times thought my brother was gay because if anyone said he was he's get so angry and fly off the handle needlessly. While I don't think he actually is considering the many women he's been with I do feel its pointless to get angry about such things. If you know what you are then what purpose does it serve to get angry???



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15 Jun 2019, 10:38 pm

As a homophobic straight guy myself, maybe I can answer that question...

I always called myself straight. Most people would say I'm "aro." because the times I have found a romantic connection with a girl it's because we were good friends and I just realized one day that the chemistry had started. Honestly, I haven't pursued that because I'm a voluntary celibate for religious reasons. Even if I weren't celibate, there is still the matter of matrimony, in which I very much believe.

I used to be
1) suicidally depressed
2) uncertain what was wrong with me

and I worried everybody would make assumptions and believe I was gay. Here's what it is like. Put yourself in my size 11 cap-toe dress boots, the same ones I walk two miles a day in to work, and think on that.

Okay. I worry a lot about vulnerability. People pick on me easily because I don't do well with loud sounds and am enough of a klutz that it gets noticed.

And since I am a tiny little birdlike man, and weigh less than 130 pounds, I worry about BEING ASSAULTED. I have already survived ONE attempted murder and been in a few other less serious things...my belief in equal rights took a hit when a black man tried killing me. I was fairly racist for a few years after that. Now I work with a bunch of people who happen to be, some of them, black, and some of them, lesbian/bi. Who cares. They all have stories. They all have faces. They all were made in the image & likeness of God--even if they don't believe in him, and prefer astrology or some superstitious runic B.S.

I can't tell whether people are joking or not,
I can't tell what's supposed to be a "come-on" or not,
Bro Culture gives me the creeps because it seems ironically homoerotic, which is creepy and fake
Bro culture is set in opposition to "nerds" like me.
I dress sharp when I go out because I think it's a good thing to do that, instead of complain about the out-in-public pyjamas everyone wears. Pyjamas are for sleeping in, not going to the grocer's.

Regarding the filing of "stereotypically masculine roles" (Thanks for bringing that up, Twilightprincess!) I used to worry everyone thought I was gay because I didn't go for all the macho stuff. I hate hot-rods, the sound of a V8 with loud pipes annoys me, I don't like shooting animals for sport or food, and when I was sixteen I bought:
(Drum roll please!)
a broken Victrola, and started collecting stuff from the turn of the century. I wanted to live like it was still 1925. Still do...the houses back then were like sensory cocoons for people like me.

Anyway, I have been so scared all my life of being considered gay, of being assaulted, of being thought unmanly, that if gay guys make advances at me, then my first reaction is violence, not virtue signaling. I'm worried, and admitting that I'm scared is something I accept but the culture considers unmasculine--so there we go again... I can only wonder at how women feel with the catcallers; thank goodness for MeToo.

Straight guys, if you don't like gays hitting on you, don't hit on women--or the pot is calling the kettle black. Don't be a racist kitchen tool. Better yet, just don't be a tool, full stop.
Gay guys, your "Interest" is disgusting and if I feel threatened I believe in self-defense, lethal if necessary.
Women, hang in there. Nerds are better pals than bros but watch out for the incels, they're toxic.


So that's it...a confession of why I would like to be just left alone.

People, it's not the 1950s any more. Not all men are like the old Chase & Sanborn coffee advertisements. We're not chauvinists.

Saying men have no feelings is like saying Aspies have no empathy. Some don't but others of us have too much. I used to hate riding horses because I didn't think it was kind to them. Later in life I found that horses will want to be your best friend...I miss them, more than I do a lot of people. Horses, incidentally, have never lied to me or been deliberately cruel.

And chivalry is the greatest compliment history bestows on men: as G.K. Chesterton observed, the greatest compliment you can give a man is to call him a horse.




That was long. Sorry about that.


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18 Jun 2019, 10:20 am

BlueIris24 wrote:
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You know what grinds my gears? When straight guys hate gay guys for sexually harassing them, but they do the same exact thing to lesbians. They'll harass, bully, and threaten lesbians into having sex with them, but when they get a taste of their own medicine they all of a sudden have a problem with it.
Are you directing this at ALL straight guys, or just the few that you personally know?
It should be obvious that I'm directing this at the straight guys who are homophobic and gross towards lesbians.
Nice evasion. ALL straight guys or ONLY those who are homophobic and gross towards lesbians?

Not all straight guys are that way.


Of course I know that not all straight guys are that way, and not once did I imply that. By reading the title, you can see it's referring to HOMOPHOBIC straight guys. Don't put words into my mouth. If you're going to keep being condescending , then I'm just going to stop talking to you.



I'm honestly just confused about how millions of people don't understand there is a difference between hate and phobias. Phobia = a fear of, no where near the same as a hate for. Why would it be expected for all straight men to be comfortable around gay men? Why would it be bad if they weren't. Are you aware that all straight men aren't comfortable around straight women, that in no way means they hate women, they just have a phobia with confronting women.

Here is a joke. A LGBT walks into a Christian Church, the LGBT person doesn't feel comfortable around all those Christians. So should everyone speak up for the Christians and label the LGBT as a Christian-phobic person whom is hateful and should be shamed by everyone?



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18 Jun 2019, 10:25 am

Borromeo wrote:
As a homophobic straight guy myself, maybe I can answer that question...

I always called myself straight. Most people would say I'm "aro." because the times I have found a romantic connection with a girl it's because we were good friends and I just realized one day that the chemistry had started. Honestly, I haven't pursued that because I'm a voluntary celibate for religious reasons. Even if I weren't celibate, there is still the matter of matrimony, in which I very much believe.

I used to be
1) suicidally depressed
2) uncertain what was wrong with me

and I worried everybody would make assumptions and believe I was gay. Here's what it is like. Put yourself in my size 11 cap-toe dress boots, the same ones I walk two miles a day in to work, and think on that.

Okay. I worry a lot about vulnerability. People pick on me easily because I don't do well with loud sounds and am enough of a klutz that it gets noticed.

And since I am a tiny little birdlike man, and weigh less than 130 pounds, I worry about BEING ASSAULTED. I have already survived ONE attempted murder and been in a few other less serious things...my belief in equal rights took a hit when a black man tried killing me. I was fairly racist for a few years after that. Now I work with a bunch of people who happen to be, some of them, black, and some of them, lesbian/bi. Who cares. They all have stories. They all have faces. They all were made in the image & likeness of God--even if they don't believe in him, and prefer astrology or some superstitious runic B.S.

I can't tell whether people are joking or not,
I can't tell what's supposed to be a "come-on" or not,
Bro Culture gives me the creeps because it seems ironically homoerotic, which is creepy and fake
Bro culture is set in opposition to "nerds" like me.
I dress sharp when I go out because I think it's a good thing to do that, instead of complain about the out-in-public pyjamas everyone wears. Pyjamas are for sleeping in, not going to the grocer's.

Regarding the filing of "stereotypically masculine roles" (Thanks for bringing that up, Twilightprincess!) I used to worry everyone thought I was gay because I didn't go for all the macho stuff. I hate hot-rods, the sound of a V8 with loud pipes annoys me, I don't like shooting animals for sport or food, and when I was sixteen I bought:
(Drum roll please!)
a broken Victrola, and started collecting stuff from the turn of the century. I wanted to live like it was still 1925. Still do...the houses back then were like sensory cocoons for people like me.

Anyway, I have been so scared all my life of being considered gay, of being assaulted, of being thought unmanly, that if gay guys make advances at me, then my first reaction is violence, not virtue signaling. I'm worried, and admitting that I'm scared is something I accept but the culture considers unmasculine--so there we go again... I can only wonder at how women feel with the catcallers; thank goodness for MeToo.

Straight guys, if you don't like gays hitting on you, don't hit on women--or the pot is calling the kettle black. Don't be a racist kitchen tool. Better yet, just don't be a tool, full stop.
Gay guys, your "Interest" is disgusting and if I feel threatened I believe in self-defense, lethal if necessary.
Women, hang in there. Nerds are better pals than bros but watch out for the incels, they're toxic.


So that's it...a confession of why I would like to be just left alone.

People, it's not the 1950s any more. Not all men are like the old Chase & Sanborn coffee advertisements. We're not chauvinists.

Saying men have no feelings is like saying Aspies have no empathy. Some don't but others of us have too much. I used to hate riding horses because I didn't think it was kind to them. Later in life I found that horses will want to be your best friend...I miss them, more than I do a lot of people. Horses, incidentally, have never lied to me or been deliberately cruel.

And chivalry is the greatest compliment history bestows on men: as G.K. Chesterton observed, the greatest compliment you can give a man is to call him a horse.




That was long. Sorry about that.


Don't you understand that women feel just as (if not more) vulnerable than a short guy does around a tall gay guy? And with lesbians it's the same thing.

Also quit being homophobic. Although your issues don't seem to be homophobia in anything other than the literal sense (being afraid around someone big who you feel might hurt you), which fair enough, I'm androphobic in that way but I'm not a misandrist. If you genuinely hate gay guys, quit that though.


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18 Jun 2019, 9:32 pm

I don't know anyone silly enough to believe in a quantifiable measurement of fear. Certainly there is psychological research done on this, which is a fascinating topic, but different people fear differently. Just because I freeze when I hear subwoofers in the distance doesn't mean everyone else has the same phobia of amplified bass in music (for me I associate it with a bunch of "bros" who were harassing me.)

Crimadella: Oddly enough, Gay people walk into churches all the time. They're called parishoners. I know some very devout people who are gay. One of them is a lesbian girl who lives like a celibate. Both she and I are in the same boat--we're not married, so sack romp is strictly forbidden. It doesn't matter at this point whose attractions lean which way. (Incidentally she is one of the coolest people I know.)


KT67: My dislike is equal-opportunity. Large or small I don't trust (not the gays but the cultural mentality.) Perhaps it's because I don't trust people easily, that I find this even easier to distrust. Even the thought of one of them having a desire for me gives me the creeps. Nuff said.


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19 Jun 2019, 12:33 am

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I don't know anyone silly enough to believe in a quantifiable measurement of fear. Certainly there is psychological research done on this, which is a fascinating topic, but different people fear differently. Just because I freeze when I hear subwoofers in the distance doesn't mean everyone else has the same phobia of amplified bass in music (for me I associate it with a bunch of "bros" who were harassing me.)

Crimadella: Oddly enough, Gay people walk into churches all the time. They're called parishoners. I know some very devout people who are gay. One of them is a lesbian girl who lives like a celibate. Both she and I are in the same boat--we're not married, so sack romp is strictly forbidden. It doesn't matter at this point whose attractions lean which way. (Incidentally she is one of the coolest people I know.)


KT67: My dislike is equal-opportunity. Large or small I don't trust (not the gays but the cultural mentality.) Perhaps it's because I don't trust people easily, that I find this even easier to distrust. Even the thought of one of them having a desire for me gives me the creeps. Nuff said.


I know LGBT'S enter churches without fear or discomfort, I was making a point that people should not be hated or shamed simply because they are uncomfortable around particular people. It can be applied to anything, like me. I'm uncomfortable around people in general, I'm not a people hater, I just don't feel comfortable(and yes it's a phobia, i hAve a fear of being around people because of my discomfort, i don't hAve to be social or expected to be social either, people just pulling up beside me whiLe stopping at a red light makes me uncomfortable also). People conflate fear or discomfort with hate and I see that as wrong and rightfully so. I wonder what word could be used to correctly distinguish hate from fear?? Anyone. Like say someone legitimately hates gay people, is there a word for that? It's definitely not phobic, because phobia stands for fear of.



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19 Jun 2019, 8:39 am

A homophobic straight guy had the nerve to tell me that "you make people uncomfortable with the way you dress!"

The statement is correct

But everyone makes people uncomfortable with the way they dress

That's like saying, the dog bite did not hurt you. Pain receptors hurt you

When the dog but the couch, the couch did not hurt

Correct

But it is not justified to take your dog off its leash



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19 Jun 2019, 9:11 am

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A homophobic straight guy had the nerve to tell me that "you make people uncomfortable with the way you dress!"


Sometimes, circumstances being what they are, the only way a gay guy can express himself is by the clothes he chooses to wear or not wear. I sometimes go commando when I'm horny; I feel like I'm expressing myself by that, even though nobody knows. I knew an old married guy who dressed in tight spandex, which looked like hell on his creaky old frame, but made him feel that he was expressing himself as a gay man. You don't wear clothes for the enjoyment of others; what you choose to wear is an expression of yourself. So give 'em hell and wear what makes you feel like yourself.



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19 Jun 2019, 9:28 am

Everyone is "comfortable", "uncomfortable" or neither


Three groups

Seven billion people

Each category contains more than two people


:mrgreen:



How about "you make people uncomfortable when you continue living"


That statement is also correct


It does not justify, :heart: suicide :evil:




A meditation "instructor" Anthony Rodgers penis :jester: had the nerve to tell me that "we would rather not have you doing yoga. It's distracting"


How about, "we would rather not have you continue living. It's distracting"


If this penis was so bad at meditation that he found it "distracting" when I did yoga , he wasn't good at meditation. Because the world contains a lot of louder, emotionally disturbing things, than when , I wrongfully did :evil: :mrgreen: unskillful yoga :mrgreen:







f**k mister redelings, San Diego, civil engineer

Dave redelings , Caminito dia, la Jolla


f**k Anthony Rodgers, Saturday night Sangha, Berkeley, east Bay healing collective







Those lil penis are not worth the energy it takes to, interact with them






:cry: :cry: :cry:




They tell me "I care" (about shortfatbalduglyman". But they only "care" as long as they reserve the moral right to, authority :roll: veto anything you do, just because it's "distracting" and "uncomfortable" :twisted: for them



Entitled lil penises


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:roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:





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... the only way a gay guy can express himself ... I'm expressing myself ... he was expressing himself as a gay man ... what you choose to wear is an expression of yourself...
WHY does it have to be all about expressing oneself? For the attention? To advertise one's status and availability? To provoke others and put people off?


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19 Jun 2019, 9:54 am

I've known a lot of straight guys who were nice to me and didn't care that I was gay.

And honestly I think it's pretty sh***y for some gay guys to sexually harass or molest heterosexual men, which DOES happen occassionally contrary to the far-left's claim that gay people are all innocent and straight people are all evil and out to hurt them, and then turn around and demonize straight guys claiming that they deserve it because of homophobia.

I mean think about the hypocrisy in that.


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