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ive never like the whole marriage thing, to me marriage is a religious ceremony and that religion can have what ever rules it wants. i do agree with there being civil partnership thingys which every one just calls marriages anyway.

however i think they should be bloody hard and long to get out of as should marriages. people get married at the drop of hat so it means bugger all as divorce is so easy

The Jack Harkness of threads.

Outside of the UK civil partnerships/unions are almost never referred to as marriages.

I personaly would never refer to it as a marriage. That has too many religous connotations. Even in the wiccan/pagen ritual it is a hand-fasting. The goverment should drop the name of marriage and change it to civil union for all couples, gay or straight.

What would be a good term for past tense of being in a civil union? You say, "This is my civil partner, we're legally bonded?" Marriage is a far more understood term to refer to two people being legally bonded. I think that the religious meanings should simply be dropped, though if someone wanted to go to the trouble of coming up with new terms, then more power to them.

"Here is my partner." Who cares if it has been made offical or not... it's boyfriend/girlfriend or partner.. 2 steps...

are you sure? or do you mean its not refereed to as so inside north america? in my experience people in europe and the antipodes both colloquially refer to it as marriage

Yeah, I probably should have said that in my experience, only in the UK are civil partnerships referred to as "marriage" and the lack of actual marriage rights for same-sex couples seem not to be much of a political issue at all.

In the US civil unions are considered very different from marriage (this is a major political issue). They don't exist in Canada, which only has same-sex marriages. Neither one exists in Australia. South Africa has full same-sex marriages. New Zealand has a very similar situation to the UK but even there it seems like same-sex marriage is more of an issue than in the UK.

I didn't consider places outside the English-speaking world since there you get into issues of translation.

But it seems very unusual to me that in the UK civil partnerships seem to be accepted as basically identical to marriages - not just colloquially but even in a more formal sense. This is definitely very different from what I am used to in the US.

Same-sex marriage:
Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Sweden

Civil unions and registered partnerships:
Andorra, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greenland, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Slovenia, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay <--

I would never refer to civil unions or partnerships as marriage. (Never heard anyone else saying that either) They were introduced to discriminate between homo and heterosexual relationships. How dare we to compare our filthy sex, with the love that a man can feel for a woman. That to me is the whole point: you cannot judge a relationship on someone's sexuality. It supports the notion that being gay, makes you a certain type of person.

People saying marriage is a religious ceremony, probably do not realize that marriage is hijacked by the main religions on this planet. Obama's remark of no marriage for gays "because God is in the mix" just shows you that. I do not want any blessing, from any god, on my relationship. That should be a prerogative for anyone. Here in Holland there are still many local governments that have separate hours for gays to get married. "Otherwise you would be treated by someone who hates you. Now that's not what you want, hey?"

Gay men and women have children, whether it is accepted or not. They deserve the same protection as children from straights. I've read many times about hospitals refusing gay partners, because only family is allowed. There are a lot of people using marriage protection, to be able to withhold LGBT from rights and privileges, soley based on opinions, not actual facts.

oh i think probably in the uk everyone considers them much the same as no one really thinks of a marriage as being anything more than a bit of paper. the uk is often called the most atheist country in the world so there really is no religious element for most people

plus id doesnt help i live in hippy do da land of liberalism that is edinburgh, though i shouldnt complain the place is too liberal but it is really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbqv3MwwVd8

A good take on my interpretation of Mawwage.

As a gay woman I see marriage equality in the U.S. as simply equal representation under taxation. That is to say that I , as an equal and tax-paying citizen am entitled to the same rights and privileges as a hetero. The same taxation, the same social security, the same inheritance rights, the same veteran's benefits, normal immigration and passport treatment, the same 5th amendment right not to testify against my spouse in a court of law, in fact, all the same constitutional protections that our hetero brothers and sisters receive regardless of their social standing.

Even heterosexual mass-murderers on death row receive these basic constitutional rights. Yet we lesbians and gays are denied these most basic legal rights. We go to work, pay our bills, live good lives, give back to our local communities in far greater proportion than many heteros. And yet our government robs us of our money, relegates us to a secondary sub-citizen status, and denies us our basic constitutional and financial rights as American citizens. Want to be taxed at the same rate as the straights? Too bad! Want to receive the same social security benefits? Too bad! Thinking about that green card for your spouse? Not gonna happen! Too bad you aren't a straight mass murderer!

Who gives a crap about religious or hetero acceptance of gay lives? I sure don't. None of us needs any hetero approval. What we want, and WILL obtain, is the same constitutional rights and representation that even the lowliest heterosexual receives by virtue of their (HETERO) humanity.

And if you are a gay American and are cloudy on the civil rights the rest of us are fighting so hard for, I suggest you educate yourself immediately. We don't need any "uncle tom's", and FOR DAMN SURE the straights don't give a crap about what is being done to us with their silent agreement. And their not so silent agreement.

Peace.

I have been accused of being lesbian but I simply don't bother to appear all that feminine. I mean, I'm not marching around in lumberjack boots or anything, but I've only worn make-up to funerals and photo days. I just don't "Need" to scream my gender to the world.

oh my god, im the same! People think i'm a lesbian but i'm not. I don't look feminine and i am a tom boy but that's only because i don't see the need to wear high heels and a short skirt. I also enjoy playing football, i like cars and drink beer, but i personally don't see how things like that should be restricted to males.

People say I'm really masculine here, accusing me of being straight because I don't fit the stereotype lol.