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18 Dec 2011, 7:31 am
CosmicRuss wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
......If there are a lot of gay male transphobes out there, I haven't met them unless they hang out with the so-called "bears." Bears are annoying.
No, I mean bears are really SERIOUSLY annoying. They're not like some people think "gay guys who are trying to act straight." In fact, there are a lot of them who are about as prissy and effeminate in their mannerisms as the worst flamer in Christiandom. It has nothing to do with them trying to be "less gay." In fact, I have nothing against what they are superficially. But they can be freaking SNOBS!! !
I am gay and look very much like a 'bear'. You have no idea how damaging your comments have been to me.No, I mean bears are really SERIOUSLY annoying. They're not like some people think "gay guys who are trying to act straight." In fact, there are a lot of them who are about as prissy and effeminate in their mannerisms as the worst flamer in Christiandom. It has nothing to do with them trying to be "less gay." In fact, I have nothing against what they are superficially. But they can be freaking SNOBS!! !
*hugs* It's okay. I don't think bears are annoying or anything like that.
18 Dec 2011, 5:27 pm
Erisad, thank you.
I am in a better mood today. 
18 Dec 2011, 8:05 pm
CosmicRuss wrote:
Erisad, thank you.
I am in a better mood today.
I am in a better mood today.
That's good. I like to help bolster people's spirits and make people feel better about stuff.
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20 Dec 2011, 6:41 pm
theaspiemusician wrote:
Erisad wrote:
craiglll wrote:
Breeder is also a term for a gay guy who f***s raw.
Really? Well, I don't think she meant it that way. O.o
Fnord - The cause is near and dear to me because of my uncle so I want to be supportive, apparently that isn't enough for some people. Luckily the incident was isolated and nothing like it has happened again at this point. :/
(i think craigll's tryin to mess with your head)
yeah i mean the LGBT community NEEDS hereosexual allies! i mean without them there's less of a chance there's going to be a change. The chick's just too hateful, hopefully you don't get to see her again.
(That makes sense)
Thanks, that's what I like to think. Hooray for being helpfuuuul.
20 Dec 2011, 9:52 pm
20 Dec 2011, 9:57 pm
techn0teen wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Erisad wrote:
Okay, I was at an LGBT conference last month and I was talking with an open lesbian. She asked me what I identified myself as and I said, "A heterosexual Ally." She kinda snapped back at me with, "we don't need sympathy from breeders." I wasn't even sure what the term meant but I knew it was offensive and related to my being straight. I reply to her, "What? Why don't you want the support of heterosexuals? Seems kind of counterproductive doesn't it?" She muttered something and walked away. I was really confused. I talked to other Allies at the conference and they experienced similar things as well ...
This kind of behavior is what discourages me from supporting someone else's cause - at best I'm seen as a clueless intruder and treated with indifference, or at worst they see me an agent provocateur for their opposition and they treat me with open hostility. In any case, their contempt for me as an "outsider" is obvious.
I don't blame you, Fnord. There will always be a few people who taint any organization. In the LGBT organization I am in, we don't tolerate those type of remarks. Putting someone down, for a part of who they are, is inexcusable.
Unfortunately, some LGBT members decided to be more militant and offensive in nature to protect themselves. They feel they have to be though and attack so people won't bother them. And it works. At my high school, the LGBT people organized and beat the crud out of anyone who messed with one of their "members". No one bothered them anymore.
Another example is the Stonewall riots where LGBT peoples fought against the police raids. It was only after that violence the police backed off and the US stopped persecuting them so heavily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
Sad to see that progress was only made as a result of violence.
On the upside, the riots inspired the name of the LGBT club I frequented in college. It's a lot of fun and hosts drag shows every Thursday. I don't know how this is relevant and I hope I'm not crossing a line somehow.
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21 Dec 2011, 9:06 am
theaspiemusician wrote:
Erisad wrote:
craiglll wrote:
Breeder is also a term for a gay guy who f***s raw.
Really? Well, I don't think she meant it that way. O.o
Fnord - The cause is near and dear to me because of my uncle so I want to be supportive, apparently that isn't enough for some people. Luckily the incident was isolated and nothing like it has happened again at this point. :/
(i think craigll's tryin to mess with your head)
It's interesting that the same slang word (as used by a relatively small subset of people) has two very different meanings.
Oh how I regret googling the lyrics to Snake River Conspiracy songs...
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