Would You Date a Transsexual?

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if it was too long and you did not read it, then how can you report your impression of what my post stated?

it has never been "shown" to be wrong with me. i have no idea whether the average person is generally fooled by a MTF person, but i know i have never been fooled. anyway, why is it necessary for the normal male not to be able to tell that the MTF is actually a man? that is deception. i can accept however, that if a male is OK with "going out" (or "going in") with who he knows is a MTF, then that is all well and good and it is a persons prerogative.


i do not understand how it is "lucky" to get an artificial sex reassignment procedure done when they are a child.
it sounds quite like a tumultuous existence to me.

anyway, i sense that i may be treading on toes now, so i will depart and wear whatever parting veil you throw upon my back as i leave until i shrug it off which will be reasonably soon thereafter.

Lolwut? I *did* read your post, hence why I gave the tl;dr summation of it.

You're language indicates that you're starting from the premise that transwomen are "really" men. Which is your right to believe, but that belief does not make much sense if you examine it critically.

You also indicate a profound lack of knowledge about selection bias. You've probably seen a great deal many transwomen; however, because you do not notice that they are trans, you do not include them in your mental idea of a transwoman. Or to put it another way, you only notice the transwomen who are evidently trans. To give an example - say I have 100 counters, some black, some white. I scatter them on a black background and ask you to count them. You will only count the white ones, because the black ones blend in with the background - *but there are still black ones*.

There is a joke about a FTM transsexual; the woman was about to go through her last transformation. The clinic that specialized in afixing a penis called the woman and said they were sorry but they were out of penises but they were experimenting with elephant trunks, and would she be interested. The woman said she was and scheduled the attachment. The operation went well and the now completed man went home to heal. After some months of recuperation the implant healed. The man finally scheduled a date and met this woman for dinner. They were sitting eating their meal when suddenly the man's newly attached elephant trunk developed a mind of its own and left the mans pants and went up and grabbed a buscuit from the plate on top of the table and disappeared under the table. The woman he was with was astonished and impressed at the same time and asked the man if he could do it again. The man replied he probably could but he didn't want to have another buscuit shoved up his aXX.

To answer the OPs question, if the person and myself connected on a spiritual/emotional level I would not have a problem with having a relationship with a transsexual (as long as there was not overtly leftover signs of this person's time as a man)

i am sorry but i fail to see how black and white "counters" are relevant to anything i said.

I thought about this before when I watched The Crying Game which brings up some kind of confusing thoughts and I think that it did illuminate aspects of human sexuality and relationships in a way that I hadn't thought of before seeing that film. Like if you're attracted to trans woman as woman, then it seems kind of silly to think that's gay. If that were to be gay then that would mean that being attracted to FTM would be straight, I don't see any logic in that and no offense to FTM but they're just dudes to me and some manlier looking than me too. I consider myself straight but you're not attracted to someone by what chromosomes a person has and 99% of time you're in clothes anyways, I don't think it would give me any mental or moral hangups so it really is just about whether or not you're attracted to someone.

Then you clearly need to read what I wrote.

I can't say I would. It's not that I have anything against them, I'm just not attracted to them.

As in...? Explain, please, because that doesn't make much sense on it's own...

I'm just not sexually attracted to them.

I'm still not getting it... do you mean that you check a womans history before being sexually attracted to her?

MTF transgender people typically look somewhat different than people who were born female. People who are born female usually have a different facial structure and body shape.

What about an MTF woman who transitioned early enough that she never developed masculine features, or has had facial feminisation?

I think what you meant to say is, "I'm not attracted to women with strongly masculine features"...

Usually people have to be 18 before they can go through the medical transition. As far as facial feminisation, I'm not sure.

I'm not really attracted to women with strongly masculine features either. I mean, tomboys are one thing, but like female bodybuilders just aren't my thing.

Again, I don't have anything against transgender people, I'm just not physically attracted to them.

That seems unfair to me; because it assumes that all TS Women are masculine, with manly bodies. This is not the case; many are incredibly feminine (more so than some born female!), curvy and stunning!

Less unfair; more that it doesn't make much sense, because it presupposes that the set [masculine looking women] contains all of set [transwomen], which we know to not be the case. There is substantial overlap between the sets, however, a lot of which has to do with the late age of transition for many transwomen, and probably also the low income that many have (and so are unable to afford facial feminisation surgery). The latter of which, alas, significantly reduces their economic prospects... Which indicates that a fund for making loans to cover such surgery may be very helpful. Hmmm. More research needed.

But you can see a lot of that on this tumblr. A few are quite feminine; others... not so much.

I understand what you are trying to say. I'm not mad.