J.K. Rowling is a disgusting TERF

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It's not too clear to me.
How are her words vicious?

"sex is real" is pretty much a dog whistle for saying trans women are not really women (and the reverse with men). It is something said to give a defense why trans people should be treated differently from their cis counterparts, which is transphobic. Sure you can say relevant when the trans person goes to the doctor and should give an accurate history to be helped, but it is not the sort of thing okay to do where people are yelling at transwomen to go to the men's room.

Do they come into the stall to look at one's genitalia and then yell at people?
I never encountered such a situation. Maybe something culture-specific.

On the other hand, I have encountered a pervert who claimed to be trans woman to gain access to female changing rooms. I'm not going to start a hysteria about it but it did happen to me - it was clearly an abuse of well-meaning activism, harming real trans people. Yet, should I be all silent about it?

Not to mention that trans person that got sent to the womens prison and proceeded to sexually assault and/or rape a whole lot of them.

There is that "pervert potential," yes.

But I work in a court setting---and I've only encountered a few cases where a man would place a camera in a bathroom stall to watch women doing their thing. I just don't see the "turn-on" in that!

We've had the "bathroom policy" for city workers for the past couple of years. I haven't heard about any problems as a result. A bathroom is a bathroom, no matter how you slice it.

No, clearly they would get yelled at before or after, although I do hear about some accounts where it felt like that is what some women would pull. Some of the recounts I heard were like being beat up by a father who accused her of being a pervert and danger to his daughter. There does seem to be some implicit expectations of being able to pass, but it is not fair to all trans people where there could be a risk of being clocked. Nice if you don't see the harassment that many of them get, where people try to pressure them out of gendered areas.



I don't know what I can really say about that. Clearly your experience is valid, and worth being treated seriously. I just hope that the alternative is not just to force transwoman to forced into changing rooms, surrounded by all the men.



And what about all the trans women (read: women) that were sent to men's prisons and were sexually assaulted?

In this specific case, the person was forced to leave based on their behavior. If a lesbian woman was behaving like he did in a changing room, I'm sure she would be forced to leave as well.
I think it's the right way of handling it in general.

I see nothing vicious in those words. Apparently, you do.

Then again, I'm another one who doesn't see what the fuss is about. A cis-male identifies as a female, cross-dresses, undergoes hormonal and surgical treatments, and then petitions the court for a new name to match the new identity -- so what? It's their life, their choice, their identity, et cetera. If Michael Smith is now Michelle Smythe, it makes no difference to me.

What annoys me about the whole issue is that being indifferent to how other people identify themselves is somehow an affront to those people -- that unless I stand up with them, cheer them on, and openly advocate for their rights, I am somehow a horrible, nasty, awful and evil person whose only goal is to maintain the binary illusion of gender, and that it is somehow my fault that trans-gendered people are committing suicide at a higher rate than any other gender-identity group.

So if people want to identify as something other than their cis-gender, then they have nothing to worry about from me -- they're just people to me, that's all.

Just don't expect me to congratulate them and organize parades for their coming-out parties.

I think J.K Rowling was just critizing "cancel culture" I don't believe she meant ill will against trans people.

It's better to be an Egalitarian than a Feminist, anyway.

"#AllRightsMatter", n'est-ce pas?

You say that as though there's a massive epidemic of that going on. From what I understand, then case I mentioned was somewhat extraordinary in its outcome, and the unfortunate fallout regarded as a rather unfavourable precedent.

@ Fnord

I have no idea under what circumstances people are criticising you for doing nothing. But doing nothing could come in two flavours; accepting or dismissive. Such as just letting bad behavior you come across. I see no way how one would otherwise find themselves criticised for doing nothing.

That could be the case, if such movements were not filled with those of the Men's Rights movements, with definitive anti-feminist rhetoric. On the whole, Feminism can also advocate for men, and against what some people think men can be feminists.

If interested, this was a video that made recent rounds with social commentators, a video that puts Men's Rights up against Feminists. To be made, against the perceived preference of Egalitarian being a good middle ground, you are more likely to see people on the more Men's Rights side, who simply hate feminism because they think it means anti man.

Sure, if we accept the premise that boys are faulty girls that need to be fixed, and men are solely to blame for everything since the dawn of time, then yes. Othwerwhise, no.




"What do comes to mind whenyou hear the phrase "Men's rights?"

Guy: "avocating for the human rights of men."

Girl 1: "aggression"

Girl 2: "I start laughing?"

Sure wonder why...


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"Doing nothing" in this instance means making no mention of a person's trans-gender status, and not using that trans-gender status as the basis for discrimination.I have no interest in any such "movement".  My concern is how I treat people, and not how other people treat each other -- unless, of course, such treatment is discriminatory or results in personal injury or property damage. Dog forbid that I should ever become one of those strident, wild-eyed activists with a "If you're not for us, then you're against us" mentality.

Everybody deserves basic dignity. You are suggesting that anybody who refuses to walk lockstep with trans ideology is creating a hostile environment for trans people. I think that's an absurd conclusion. But I guess woman should just shut up, keep their opinions to themselves, even if they are uncomfortable with sharing locker rooms with biological males.

There are probably better ways to have this conversation than a few words on Twitter. However, you have to understand that trans activists are creating a hostile environment by shouting down anyone who doesn't blindly go along with it. You are not helping the situation with the type of rhetoric you're slinging here, using the word TERF, and calling a woman who is tired of the cancel culture "a disgusting cow."

Get it?

We are playing this game are we?


Yeah, I know it is a lot longer. But it is done by a masculine man. Not a guy in an ugly hat who has to push his narrative by editing a woman to look erratic and accuse her of being the only one putting forward claims that are not held by sources (she was giving first hand experiences) and accused her of gaslighting "autist". Because I guess using autism as an insult is the sort of discourse your guy likes to use.

The reason that women laughed was because she likely has had interactions with men's rights people that simply were those MRA being aggressive and talking down feminist stances. You can see it in the video yourself, Mr Incel decides that things would be better if things "went more traditional", meaning that women are in the house while men have all the power of earning potential. It is pretty easy to read between those lines that the incel wants things "traditional" because he wants someone forced to be his partner, which he can't get on his own.

The big misconception you can see come to light in the video is that there is a misunderstanding of what "toxic masculinity" means. The Men's Rights guys think it is the feminists saying that there is something inherently wrong with men and masculinity. The Asian guy is surprised when the woman says that it is not something done by just men, but to them when teaching unhealthy habits like holding in emotions and feeling entitled. The feminists clearly put forward that their campaign against toxic masculinity is one that can help men, and itself can be committed by women too in possibly not teaching young boys correctly.

It is a strawman argument to say that most, if not the majority, of feminists blame everything wrong with men. It is not like every man is what is being referred to as when the patriarchy is brought up, and men can even be victims of it too. And yet, Mr Incel tried to actually push an argument of maybe things would be okay under the patriarchy.