Can an ally be against homosexual marriage and sodomy?

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An interesting thought, so "in my opinion it's wrong but you do you " isn't bigoted.

I think it's worth recognizing a difference between being against something and not desiring it for one's self.

I'm not interested in being involved in gay sex or a gay marriage, but I'm strongly in favour of those who desire one, the other or both to be able to find those things. I don't believe straight marriage or sex is inherently more valid or legitimate than gay marriage or sex.

I'd argue that people who believe straight marriage and/or sex is inherently more valid or legitimate than gay marriage or sex ultimately are homophobic/transphobic. They might be milder than people who believe such things should invite punishment, but they fall somewhere on the same spectrum.

^ Yeah, I think that’s a good point. Not wanting something for oneself is quite a bit different than being against it for everyone which, in the case of this discussion, would be inherently homophobic.

I think all people have some degree of bias and prejudice due to environment. It doesn’t mean they’re bad people. IMO, it hinders progress on a personal and societal level to claim that it’s okay for whatever reason, though.

Sometimes the arguments I see for homophobia remind me of popular arguments for racism in the past, including ones that were promoted by religious institutions. Slavery and segregation, for example, were both promoted by many churches — the Catholic Church was not an exception. There are far more scriptures in the Bible promoting slavery than homophobia, which I’ve found is a deceptively complex topic. If most groups think slavery and segregation are wrong now, they can make similar strides toward equality for other oppressed groups.

Its more that “side B” is against for religious reasons. Someone who is side B is gay or bi or pan but believes that their religion (usually Christianity) barrs them from being with the same sex.
This doesn’t always translate to being against stuff legally. It didn’t in my case.


I am 100% affirming these days.

That's more complicated because it sounds like strictly internalized homophobia intersecting with notions of ritual purity, and I really don't feel qualified to pass any judgments on people in that boat for a bunch of reasons.

I wasn't really trying to comment on side B, so much as people who will morally condemn homosexuality but then talk about how (officially) they don't have a problem with it. A lot of the time it gets paired with the but I have a x friend or I don't mean to sound y but cliches. People who would openly want laws against it I'd describe as the next step over, they're openly hostile.

I'd imagine those positions exist on a spectrum depending on how exclusively internalized the person's feelings are, as well as to what extent there's anything to internalize.