is anybody here who has autism and is transgender?
I identified as a lesbian for the longest time, but the truth is that I'm transgendered, Female to male. I've only just started telling people about it. I'm a singer, that's what I'm going to school for, so that complicates things a little, but my singing teachers are all on board.
I've not been diagnosed with AS though, as my doctor thought I was too complicated of a case to tell and I decided not to go find a specialist and pursue diagnosis. It's just another label to me.
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Diagnosed Bipolar and Aspergers (questioning the ASD diagnosis).
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Just an addendum to my last post, as I've passed the time limit for editing. I'm still in the questioning phase. I don't actually think I'm transgendered. I identify as gender-queer or gender-free. I am both genders. I guess it still kind of fits under the trans umbrella, but I'm not intending on taking hormones or getting surgery.
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I have Asperger's (or so I believe) and this topic drives me crazy... I think I'm transgendered. I'm male but I find myself to be often feminine at times. I could probably identify as a lesbian, for that matter. I don't go too far into these topics because I already have AS, ADHD and Depression - being in one minority is tough enough, I could technically still BE an LGBT individual, but following another minority would just be problematic.
It's weird. I feel feminine, I like feminine things, I like feminine people, I like females. With the exception of childbirth and periods, I feel like I would be more comfortable in the opposite sex's body. What makes this complicated... is that I'm still attracted to women.
And then it just gets ambiguous because the ADHD aspect tends to muddy my already complicated personality... I played football for five years - I didn't really fit the team well, because of AS's physical dis-coordination, and in retrospect, some feminine traits. But I still liked certain aspects to it... also, I do enjoy listening to pretty heavy music from time to time - heavy metal, for example, is a masculine pastime. Among a few other things...
I find the Ambiguously Gay (But Actually Straight) trope to fit more often than not. In terms of orientation, I guess I could be slightly bisexual but I'll usually end up leaning more towards females. >.<
Coopre--welcome, stick around, you'll get used to it. Uh, and you don't have to type in bold. We'll read what you write.
As for me--I'm not transgendered or anything, but I've never thought of my gender or my sexual orientation (asexual, possibly bi-asexual or just asexual/aromantic) as being particularly important. I just feel human. Female is... about as important as having brown hair or pale skin or being short or whatever. It's just something I happen to be, not something that's some huge part of my identity. I think if I were suddenly genderswitched into a male body, it wouldn't even traumatize me after the initial awkwardness (and "learning to protect certain tender bits" phase, I imagine, since I am ridiculously clumsy...)
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Coopre--welcome, stick around, you'll get used to it. Uh, and you don't have to type in bold. We'll read what you write.
As for me--I'm not transgendered or anything, but I've never thought of my gender or my sexual orientation (asexual, possibly bi-asexual or just asexual/aromantic) as being particularly important. I just feel human. Female is... about as important as having brown hair or pale skin or being short or whatever. It's just something I happen to be, not something that's some huge part of my identity. I think if I were suddenly genderswitched into a male body, it wouldn't even traumatize me after the initial awkwardness (and "learning to protect certain tender bits" phase, I imagine, since I am ridiculously clumsy...)
There's a blurb in Attwood's "Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" that states the ASD people are a lot less likely to absorb gender norms from society, or even pay attention to them. It's in the "bullying" section.
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The "extreme male brain" thing sounds like selection bias to me (not a reference to this thread, but to SBC). I am sure there are identified autistic traits that are stereotypically feminine that Baron-Cohen doesn't acknowledge at all.
I would think that for someone who does have a mismatch, it probably becomes fairly important and causes a lot of pain/discomfort until it can be resolved. This doesn't necessarily imply a stronger connection to sex/gender than other people, simply dissonance or dysphoria that needs to be taken care of. When I have a toothache, it's all I can think about; why would this be any different? It seems to be another way that some people to experience the world and think different from the majority, although I wouldn't say it's neurodiversity.
Also, this post is interesting. I don't really identify with much of it, but some of it makes a lot of sense to me, especially with regards to not really feeling beholden to or internalizing expected gender stereotypes.
I just read that the other day! I'm not sure that I would take it all at face value, although the core point about not absorbing gender-based socialization is probably accurate. He seems to go on to connect ASD to other things that also exist independently of ASD, which could suggest that these are simply coexisting, and one is not necessarily caused by the other.
As a tween I might have been called transsexual, since I wished I was a boy.
I am not transsexual now, but I am transgender in that my interests are more usual for males. The only real feminine aspect of me is my love for animals and possibly that I like quizzes. (One of which showed that the likelihood of me being male was 80% and another that showed that I think like a female and feel like a male, whatever that’s supposed to mean! No. I don’t take quizzes seriously but considering the theme here it’s a fun result.)
I have never used make-up or high heeled shoes, and I never will. I haven’t wore a skirt/dress since elementary school and I have no desire to.
I absolutely refuse to accept the notion that some activities or behaviour are improper for one gender while acceptable or even expected of the other. I don’t deny that some things are more common for one gender, but that doesn’t make it exclusive.
More than feeling female (or male) I feel like me. I (and everyone else) shouldn’t be seen as a gender but as an individual whose traits are her or his own, period. I’m not typically female and that is only a problem for close-minded people.
unlike you me and most people have a gender identity, it isn't something we choose to identify as, also there are alot of differences between a male brain and a female brain, though the differences are sutle. don't get me wrong though.I'm a person that thinks english and alot of languages are flaws because of gender spefic pronouns.that person has male genitalia,the person is so nice.
I just wanted to comment on what you said, Tiffany. I am a transgendered woman and
that is just the way it goes. I never had any choice, I am a woman whether I like it
or not. Most days I like it very much and the transitioning process is also something
that I just have to go through. I either transition or I become completely disabled,
as in, a person who can do absolutely nothing but sit on the floor and die.
As an AS woman (I also have Aspergers diagnosed) I can do many things, be happy
and be a really good member of the society, study, work, have some sort of communication
and so on. I have a really good self-esteem, which has helped me a lot, so there's a lot
to be grateful for and not just problems, so that's what I want to say especially to
transgendered people on WP, that is, many good things can be found in the life
of a transgendered person, but first you have to admit it to yourself if you are
transgendered. So give yourself a chance.
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In RPG, I always used to play the guy purely because the girl character looked too slu*ty. lol
But then later in life I admitted to myself several instances where I felt I should've been born a boy or simple wondered what would've been different if I were a boy.
However, in the end I realize I have far more advantages and better impressions from being a girl.
I'm straight. But I'll admit having been attracted to another girl every so often. Even still to this day. However I realized recently that I only like a superficial aspect of them and that I envy it. Lol
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Mmmm, I just see gender norms as a ridiculous notion. I can't get my head around why, if someone's body was suddenly altered but with all other things being equal, they'd suddenly be expected, and socially allowed, to wear different clothing... their mind-soul has not changed. Personally, I'd like to scrap the idea of gender, at least as far as cultural norms go (there may be a place for it in the context of acedemia). So what if someone wants to wear dresses and makeup?
As they say, the Dwarves have no conception of gender...
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Yes; however, I am talking about gender in the vulgar sense of the word, which IMO is a ridiculous notion. As I said, there is room for some notion of gender...
Yet, if a male dresses as a woman, acts like a woman, and looks like a woman, is s/he transgendered? No. If a society existed where gender, simply, did not exist, could transgendered individuals exist? One must suspect that transgenderism is invented, at least in part, by the gender binary...
I could write an essay on that subject, but I'm not aiming for a PhD in Social Art
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One might suspect this, especially if one doesn't bother to pay attention to transgender people. You'll find that many talk about a physical dysphoria, and not simply a desire to adopt the superficial trappings of gender. That may be there too, but you're vastly oversimplifying. You really can't know if eliminating gender would mean no one would ever want to transition.
Edit to add: Also, I do personally know non-binary transsexual people who have transitioned - hormones, surgery, etc. The fact that they do not consider themselves men or women does not mean they had no need to do this. The gender binary doesn't create transgender people, although it is what defines them as different from cisgender people.
You would then join a long tradition of people who are not themselves transgender who feel entitled to interpret transgender people's motivations without concern for transgender people's thoughts. It wouldn't be a new or innovative insight, but it would resemble a lot of neurotypical writings about autistic people.
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