Jeez, some trans women can be extremely hateful to opponents

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hmm. i need not to worry a lot?
transwomen's murdering at the same rate as males is uncertain.
hm. if so, i can be relieved a lot. (:

Ah, yes, there's that word again: Transphobia.

What I've grown increasingly disgusted about is the actions of some in the trans community that are given a pass in the community, namely trans people who have taken no medical steps toward transition trying to get into opposite sex spaces, trying to say that somebody born with a penis was always a woman or somebody born with a vagina was always a man, the disregard for the concerns of women and girls regarding privacy, being ready to pull out the word "transphobia" whenever anyone expresses views opposing the goals of the trans community, the truly hateful tactics by trans activists verses opponents like mentioned in the OP where the trans person basically cheers on a woman having been raped, my own hateful actions toward opponents of goals the trans community has (such as funding sex reassignment), and many other things.

That is part of why I have reached trans peak.

Would you please stop trying to speak for all women and girls, I do not agree with any of your recent posts really and I have a freaking vagina and boobs alright. I do not feel my privacy is violated if transexual females who haven't had a sex change operation use the womens bathroom, I don't care to peek on people taking a piss. Also having taken psychology and sociology I am quite certain the brain and sex organs develop seperately to the extent you can in fact have someone with a female brain trapped in a males body and vice versa...thus they where born of the female 'gender' and male 'sex' or vice versa it is not hateful to say that.

She was a boy until undergoing medical transition.

If you deny the assertion that pre-transition trans people are the gender they claim, then it appears you left with labeling them as mentally ill (i.e., trans women who only partially transition are really mentally confused/disorded men)? So that they can be excluded from real women's facilities ?

Group I : non-passing / non-fully transitioned are mentally ill people, so Deny recognition
Group II: passing / fully transitioned / meets gender sterotypes are not mentally ill, so Grant recognition

So, I don't think this is workable, *unless* you are going to argue that pre-transition 'Gender Dysphoria' is a mental illness of disordered thinking.

Gender dysphoria is considered a mental disorder by the psychiatric community or it would not have been listed in the DSM-5. The lack of the word "disorder" does not mean it's not a mental disorder. Take "schizophrenia" for example; it also does not have the word "disorder" in its name as listed in the DSM, but it's considered a mental disorder.

As for your post, what point are you trying to make? It is not evident to me from reading the post.

A Rose by Any Other Name: Gender Identity Disorder to Be Renamed Gender Dysphoria but Retain Classification as Disorder in DSM-5

In Gender Identity disorder in prison: Depending on a diagnosis that is soon to disappear?, James Phillips succeeds in drawing attention to some of the conundrums posed by transsexualism; however, he exaggerates the significance of the proposal to change the name of the diagnosis, Gender Identity Disorder (GID) in DSM-IV, to Gender Dysphoria in DSM-5. Judge Wolf recently invoked the Eighth Amendment to require the State of Massachusetts to pay for sex reassignment surgery for a sentenced murderer. Phillips is concerned that this judgment was based on "a disputed psychiatric diagnosis that may disappear from the soon-to-appear DSM-5,"but his concern is unfounded. The name of the diagnosis is changing, but the diagnosis is not in danger of disappearing - at least not in DSM-V.

The Sex and Gender Identity Disorders workgroup of the DSM-5 considered whether or not the diagnosis should be deleted from the DSM and concluded that it should be retained because it meets the defining criteria for a psychiatric disorder that have been in place since DSM-III. The workgroup also proposed a less stigmatizing and more descriptive name for the diagnosis. While GID was open to interpretation as a disorder of gender identity, Gender Dysphoria better reflects the nature of the problem - dysphoria arising from incongruence between one's gender identity and one's physical sex characteristics. With the exception of eliminating the exclusionary criterion of physical intersex conditions, the diagnostic criteria are not substantially changed from those of DSM-IV (http://www.dsm5.org/proposedrevision/pa ... x?rid=192#). As has been the case since DSM-III not all transgender and transsexual individuals will meet criteria for the diagnosis - only those who experience clinically significant distress or impairment due to the incongruence between identity and body.

Phillips is concerned that the proposed name change implies that the diagnosis doesn't warrant designation as a "disorder." He asserts that "In their shift from GID to Gender Dysphoria, the DSM-5 authors have effectively removed its parity with major disorders like Schizophrenia." His deployment of Schizophrenia in this argument is ironic since Schizophrenia is one of the few other DSM diagnoses that also lacks the word "disorder" in its name. Whether or not "disorder" is in their names, both Gender Dysphoria and Schizophrenia will be categorized as disorders in DSM-5.

The American Psychiatric Association recently issued a position statement supporting access to medical and mental health services for persons with Gender Dysphoria in need of medically assisted gender transition http://www.psychiatry.org/practice/prof ... tyomna/.... The fact that Gender Dysphoria will be classified as a disorder in DSM-5 will continue to provide a diagnostic basis for these clinical services and facilitate access to care.

William Byne, M.D., Ph.D.
A. Evan Eyler, M.D., MPH

As for your post, what point are you trying to make? It is not evident to me from reading the post.

Taking a step back ...

You appear to propose that trans women are not women until they fully transition (i.e., they are their birth gender until they pass your set of qualifications)?

Unfortunately, I have found many girls and women who do think it's a privacy violation. What if, in the course of using the women's bathroom, I ran into one of them?

Gender dysphoria is considered a mental disorder by the psychiatric community or it would not have been listed in the DSM-5. The lack of the word "disorder" does not mean it's not a mental disorder. Take "schizophrenia" for example; it also does not have the word "disorder" in its name as listed in the DSM, but it's considered a mental disorder.

As for your post, what point are you trying to make? It is not evident to me from reading the post.

trans women can never compete with real women in the minds of people who like real women.
as much as everyone services their civic duty to be politically correct and tries to accommodate them, they will never be desired by those who are traditional.
i guess that makes them cranky.

It's a physiological disorder, meaning mental and physical that is why it is in the DSM there was nowhere else to really put it not everything in the DSM is a specific mental disorder. You should also look up what the treatments are...

If they have not transitioned at all, then they should not be considered women. Beyond that, I don't really have a "set of qualifications."

At jobs I have worked, I have met non-HRT trans "women" who are recognized as women by the men and women at those jobs. This is the original point I was making.

Your assertion that these people should not be considered women goes against the reality I have experienced. The recognition is there before any medical transition.

Even before HRT I was considered "a women" because many can tell if a "guy" is not really a guy, and they can tell when the speech patterns don't match. I had one boss who asked me for my "girl name" even before I made any effort to do anything.

Also ...
-I have met a trans woman who looked like a guy but dressed as a woman, and made a effort to talk like a women, but did not appear on HRT.
-I met one trans woman who was recognized as a women with a huge beard and big belly.
-I met one trans woman with ASD and had visible discomfort communicating with others but was recognized as a woman.

I just see humans as shells for the personality.