J.K. Rowling is a disgusting TERF

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I wonder if trans people know what it feels like to be shouted down, and treated that non only are their opinions are not only not worth anything, but treated like monsters? You know, like if there was a whole history of cinema that queer coded villains as things like feminine men. That trans people have faced danger of real physical violence for their existence, and the majority of them now are so sick of it that they won't stand for it now.

You might not like it, but trans rights are human rights, and referring to them as biological (what they were assigned as) is an act to delegitimise them from their gender, which is a leading cause that leads to the high suicide rate. The call to give credence of individuals who are uncomfortable with trans people in their spaces, ignores that those trans people have been forced into the wrong changing rooms and forced to be surrounded by the other gender. One lady complaining about who she think is a man, up against a lady who does not want to change around a bunch of men.

In a perfect world, there would be no bullies or bigots around to terrorize anyone. But we don't live in a perfect world. Trans rights are human rights as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others -- or seek to stifle free speech.

An interesting read, here:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/i ... er-debate/

First of, I use the term "autist" too, and there's a good chance this guy is on the spectrum as well. He and I will both be keeping our self-deprecating sense of humour, and you'll shove your moralizing language-policing where it belongs, deal?

Also, he's a MGTOW and an MRA, not an incel. They're mutually exclusive. Oh, you were trying to Poison the Well? Carry on, then. And I see you're a student of the "elabourate fantasies about my opponents true intentions" school of non-thought. Gotta keep the classics alive, I suppose.

Second of all, Calling Vaush a masculine man is hilarous in and of itself, but also suggesting that he's "not a guy that has to push his narrative" pushes you right off a cliff into lala-land. Right, the loud and proud Marxist Communist is neutral on this, is he?

And seeing as you launched right into the same tired old disingenuous "explanations" that are always spewed up by people with their capacity critical thinking surgically removed in the paragraphs that followed, I can assure you that no, we are not "playing this game", because you are not equipped for it and I do not have the patience for it today.

Can you not do that. It is simply allowing people like edgy teens to replace calling people ret*ds with a new word by calling people they think as stupid as being autistic. Such as dubbing certain actions as "autistic screeching". It is not just funny self-depreciating, but furthering a building of a wall of discrimination against autistic people.




No, I was talking about the guy in the video that literally calls himself an incel, he says it several times. He is dressed like a bee and compares women to children as people who need to be protected, claims that boys should especially not cry in front of girls, and laughs at the concept that a woman could be the best friend of a man.




If he is not masculine, then what is he? How do you describe masculinity? Sure Vaush has his own agender, he is pretty upfront with it and gives his reasoning in clear plain English. With perhaps a more descriptions of floppy penises than necessary. He at least plays the full clips in his video and does not edit it to make the other side look crazy. But oh no, you said Marxist, that word that you definitely know the mean of, and according to the incel is what feminism is, means everything said has been exposed as part of some evil conspiracy.




Boy, you sure have a way with words, please tell me more how stupid you think I am with no critical thinking ability. Level with me, how is what I have said be something disingenuous? Apparently they are also tired and old, which I guess that they have been heavily debunked by your super smart anti-sjw commentators that have to take their subjects out of context, and say that the alt right are not so bad. Maybe I need some Brainforce?

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Do you know what a person's sex is? Are trans people going to become demanding of the scientists around the world who don't change what the very definition of sex is? Will science books everywhere need to be edited?

Here's a blog post by Maya Forstater that includes her position and the tweets that were deemed "homophobic." I think her concerns are quite valid.

https://medium.com/@MForstater/i-lost-m ... af2186ae84

^ Damn it, I can see everything on that website except the Tweets. I've tried it in a different browser too.

From a point of view of a bit different culture - yes, I see it quite similar way. The gender-bender campaigns I saw are making (at least in my culture) more likely to create stereotypes about e.g. boys interested in hair styling or girls doing car mechanics. They seem to make such persons questioning their identities more, not less.

Reading the rest of the text, I agree with her. It looks to me that she is being very open and honest. Usually you can spot bias and misleading information a mile off (Well, I can and so can a lot of people here) but I don't see any of that in the way she writes. It's not appearing closed-off in any way, she is inviting people to speak up, and is inviting people to question her, without any hate in what she says.

The fact that people are beating up "TERFs" and the story she mentioned about an old woman getting beaten up by young men too, and that being celebrated, as it says here:

That is disturbing, and pathetic. That people are feeling afraid to speak up about this topic for fear of being labelled, that is not right and as she said here, "Allowing any idea or group of people to be beyond robust discussion creates conditions for corruption and abuse, and is dangerous for democracy. People should be able to discuss and scrutinise ideas, especially when they are being translated into law, and into medical procedures and decisions affecting children and vulnerable people."

I think it's terrible that people are getting beaten up for this. It's lunacy.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/09 ... -violence/

Hopefully, more people like Rowling will push back against this. She suffering a nasty backlash now, something she can afford given her riches.
Unfortunately, not everyone has that luxury.

I don't completely agree with Maya Forstater's stand - I don't think the very ownership of a penis would be a threat in a women's bathroom. No more than a lesbian and we can't lock lesbians out of restrooms, I hope.
I have bathed in shower stalls without locks next to my male collegues and nothing bad ever happened. The vast majority of people just want to use the bathroom and respect others.

However, I would be definitely concerned if my government was to change gender reassignment policy from requiring diagnosed gender dysphoria to vague "self-identification". It opens too much room for possible abuse - changing room perverts and sports cheaters are the first to come to my mind.

Yes I know what sex is. It is something that is made up of several signifiers such as genitals, breasts, hormones and chromosomes. While the majority of people can have these things that fit a binary, there are those that do not, including intersex people. One's sex is more of a medical term rather than social, which is one's gender, thus you don't refer to someone by their sex, but by their gender, which can be separate from said sex.

So she is a feminist, who excludes transwoman of being women, she is radical in believing this. She is a TERF, simple as that. If she does not like being called that, then she should not act like one. It makes her a bigot, and she should be treated the same as a racist saying there are inherent differences between the races, someone who's words continue to hurt women as she hides behind feminism.

I think this sums things up as succinctly as could possibly be done. Thank you, Veg.