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07 Dec 2013, 6:43 pm

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Men and women have completely separate common areas and hallways, and men are not allowed in the women's hall/common area, and vice versa, except on very restrictive special occasions. Now, granted, I was given my own room each time, but each time it was on the men's side. Of course, when they place you on the men's side, that means they are going to treat you like a man, no matter how much you protest. This fact fills me with great anger.


Perhaps it is a legal issue? If you legal gender designation is still male? Perhaps they are required to put you in with men ??


Did you read the rest of the post? They don't have to do it like that.


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07 Dec 2013, 6:54 pm

BTW, the VA doesn't do it like that; they actually take into account your gender identity:

http://www.transequality.org/PDFs/VHA_Trans_Health.pdf

Also, LambdaLegal recommends gender-affirming policies:

http://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/2013110 ... l-policies

So no, there never was any such legal obligation. It was the f*****g turds that ran the hospital that did this.


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07 Dec 2013, 6:59 pm

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Men and women have completely separate common areas and hallways, and men are not allowed in the women's hall/common area, and vice versa, except on very restrictive special occasions. Now, granted, I was given my own room each time, but each time it was on the men's side. Of course, when they place you on the men's side, that means they are going to treat you like a man, no matter how much you protest. This fact fills me with great anger.


Perhaps it is a legal issue? If you legal gender designation is still male? Perhaps they are required to put you in with men ??


Did you read the rest of the post? They don't have to do it like that.


I meant perhaps it is not for discriminatory reasons. I meant that perhaps they are not intentionally trying to be mean to you.

That hospital has a policy of gender-segregation set up based on a person's legal gender designation.



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07 Dec 2013, 7:03 pm

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Men and women have completely separate common areas and hallways, and men are not allowed in the women's hall/common area, and vice versa, except on very restrictive special occasions. Now, granted, I was given my own room each time, but each time it was on the men's side. Of course, when they place you on the men's side, that means they are going to treat you like a man, no matter how much you protest. This fact fills me with great anger.


Perhaps it is a legal issue? If you legal gender designation is still male? Perhaps they are required to put you in with men ??


Did you read the rest of the post? They don't have to do it like that.


I meant perhaps it is not for discriminatory reasons. I meant that perhaps they are not intentionally trying to be mean to you.

That hospital has a policy of gender-segregation set up based on a person's legal gender designation.


No no no no no no! They told me it's based on genitals, not legal gender designation! Quit making stuff up!


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07 Dec 2013, 7:03 pm

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BTW, the VA doesn't do it like that; they actually take into account your gender identity:

http://www.transequality.org/PDFs/VHA_Trans_Health.pdf

Also, LambdaLegal recommends gender-affirming policies:

http://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/2013110 ... l-policies

So no, there never was any such legal obligation. It was the f***ing turds that ran the hospital that did this.


Ok. Apologies I was just trying to make you feel better. I had read your blog before about this issue.



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07 Dec 2013, 7:09 pm

Also, my legal gender designation, if such a thing can even meaningfully exist in the United States, is ambiguous. In the eyes of the federal government, both the State Department and Social Security, I am female. In the eyes of my state, I am male, on the other hand. In the eyes of the State of Hawaii (my birth state), I am still male.


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08 Dec 2013, 6:56 pm

It's a relief to find other male-to-female aspies. Most of the transgendered people that I know are fairly sociable.



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09 Dec 2013, 9:11 am

kathygnome of trueselves.com fame keeps putting me on moderated status, never stating the reason, making me wonder what the f**k is going on. She can go f*****g burn in hell.

EDIT: In the past, she explained it on account of "mental instability." She seems to do this whenever I bring up mental health issues. Because of that, I think she is an ableist.

EDIT 2: Yup. I've confirmed it as ableist. I can tell in this paternalistic message I get when I log on now:

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Please, get yourself some help.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


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09 Dec 2013, 1:25 pm

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kathygnome of trueselves.com fame keeps putting me on moderated status, never stating the reason, making me wonder what the f**k is going on. She can go f***ing burn in hell.

EDIT: In the past, she explained it on account of "mental instability." She seems to do this whenever I bring up mental health issues. Because of that, I think she is an ableist.

EDIT 2: Yup. I've confirmed it as ableist. I can tell in this paternalistic message I get when I log on now:

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You have been banned for the following reason:
Please, get yourself some help.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


You appear to have a focused ASD/AS perseveration regarding SRS, and medical-inadequacy, and discriminatory hospital practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseveration

Quoted from the link, "Perseveration may also refer to the obsessive and highly selective interests of individuals on the autism spectrum. This term is most connected to Asperger syndrome".

The perseveration might be too much for NT people to hear. Once they are OK with it, twice and they have grown tired of it, three times now you are on their nerves, and eventually they complain and want you to stop. Perhaps their minds cannot hold such prolonged interest , and curiosity of your findings, and don't feel the logical discord of something that is pointed out as wrong.



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09 Dec 2013, 1:59 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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kathygnome of trueselves.com fame keeps putting me on moderated status, never stating the reason, making me wonder what the f**k is going on. She can go f***ing burn in hell.

EDIT: In the past, she explained it on account of "mental instability." She seems to do this whenever I bring up mental health issues. Because of that, I think she is an ableist.

EDIT 2: Yup. I've confirmed it as ableist. I can tell in this paternalistic message I get when I log on now:

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You have been banned for the following reason:
Please, get yourself some help.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


You appear to have a focused ASD/AS perseveration regarding SRS, and medical-inadequacy, and discriminatory hospital practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseveration

Quoted from the link, "Perseveration may also refer to the obsessive and highly selective interests of individuals on the autism spectrum. This term is most connected to Asperger syndrome".

The perseveration might be too much for NT people to hear. Once they are OK with it, twice and they have grown tired of it, three times now you are on their nerves, and eventually they complain and want you to stop. Perhaps their minds cannot hold such prolonged interest , and curiosity of your findings, and don't feel the logical discord of something that is pointed out as wrong.


And as I understand, perseveration tendencies don't really respond to "therapy," even my therapist acknowledges that. It's just a tendency of autistic people. It seems the forum I was on is not a very autistic-friendly place.

I just wish she would have been more direct with me the whole time, rather than give vague remonstrances of "get help" when I've already been getting it and have actually been quite stable.

Oh well, I was so tired of her crap that I forced her to ban me. About that, I have no regrets.


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09 Dec 2013, 5:42 pm

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Well, I tried an experiment. I looked at 2 other area psychiatric hospitals and I gave each of them a call. Found out that with these hospitals, men and women don't have separate halls or separate common areas. It's only that they have separate room assignments.


When I was in the mental hospital I was on the adolescent unit and it was coed. The first time I was in we even had to all share the same bathroom because one was being worked on but not boys and girls at the same time. I remember a couple of people having their own room so they probably would have been accommodating.



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09 Dec 2013, 7:27 pm

LoveNotHate,

There's also the fact I was posting this on a trans forum, so I wouldn't know if they were having problems with it unless they told me specifically, which they didn't. So yes, a very autistic-unfriendly place that is.


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09 Dec 2013, 7:28 pm

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Well, I tried an experiment. I looked at 2 other area psychiatric hospitals and I gave each of them a call. Found out that with these hospitals, men and women don't have separate halls or separate common areas. It's only that they have separate room assignments.


When I was in the mental hospital I was on the adolescent unit and it was coed. The first time I was in we even had to all share the same bathroom because one was being worked on but not boys and girls at the same time. I remember a couple of people having their own room so they probably would have been accommodating.


Thanks. :) It's all about finding the good hospitals.


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10 Dec 2013, 3:37 am

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And as I understand, perseveration tendencies don't really respond to "therapy," even my therapist acknowledges that. It's just a tendency of autistic people. It seems the forum I was on is not a very autistic-friendly place.


They probably want a happy site, and your perseveration comes across as anger in your posts. I don't think "abelism" is a factor. It probably isn't an autistic-friendly place, because the people there don't understand autism.

I am speculating here, probably, you are argumentative there, you point out factually incorrect statements, you post repeatedly information about your perseveration, collectively your perseveration comes across as a persecution you feel which is associated with discrimination, hatred, and injustice. This gives them a negative vibe abut you.

Further speculation, they don't like you for correcting them on facts, and they don't like you for telling them they have to be more sensitive to people who can't afford SRS, and they don't like you repeatedly bringing up your perseveration. You probably get into a lot of arguments where mean words might be exchanged and feelings hurt, so some people may complain about you. The narrow focus of your perseveration and negative vibe makes them think you are unstable.

Collectively, this is why they say, "get help".

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I just wish she would have been more direct with me the whole time, rather than give vague remonstrances of "get help" when I've already been getting it and have actually been quite stable.


Well, "get help" is a put-down , and I hate people who do that.

If my analysis above is correct, then your offense is that they don't like you. "Get Help" is a euphemism for "I don't like you".



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10 Dec 2013, 11:22 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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And as I understand, perseveration tendencies don't really respond to "therapy," even my therapist acknowledges that. It's just a tendency of autistic people. It seems the forum I was on is not a very autistic-friendly place.


They probably want a happy site, and your perseveration comes across as anger in your posts. I don't think "abelism" is a factor. It probably isn't an autistic-friendly place, because the people there don't understand autism.

I am speculating here, probably, you are argumentative there, you point out factually incorrect statements, you post repeatedly information about your perseveration, collectively your perseveration comes across as a persecution you feel which is associated with discrimination, hatred, and injustice. This gives them a negative vibe abut you.

Further speculation, they don't like you for correcting them on facts, and they don't like you for telling them they have to be more sensitive to people who can't afford SRS, and they don't like you repeatedly bringing up your perseveration. You probably get into a lot of arguments where mean words might be exchanged and feelings hurt, so some people may complain about you. The narrow focus of your perseveration and negative vibe makes them think you are unstable.

Collectively, this is why they say, "get help".

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I just wish she would have been more direct with me the whole time, rather than give vague remonstrances of "get help" when I've already been getting it and have actually been quite stable.


Well, "get help" is a put-down , and I hate people who do that.

If my analysis above is correct, then your offense is that they don't like you. "Get Help" is a euphemism for "I don't like you".


Excellent deductions, I'd say. You're pretty spot on. I guess, as they say, you can't make everyone like you. The fact that I haven't really run into these kinds of problems elsewhere, I think, says more about them than it does about me. I do notice, though, that I have a harder time getting along with NT trans people than with other NT's, so I wonder what's going on there. And yes, I find the armchair psychology inherent in the statement of "get help!" to be pretty insulting.

Thanks for your support! :)


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11 Dec 2013, 5:41 am

Now that I think about it, I've talked with other people who have left True Selves, whether they were frustrated with the staff, "disappeared" like what kept happening to me, or outright banned, and it seems that a number of people have problems with the way the site is being run. I've observed lots of issues with privilege on that site, with people fitting a narrow demographic (white, middle-class and above, able-bodied, able-minded, etc.) often dominating discussion and those not fitting that demographic often feeling left out.

So, yes, it does seem that site has some major issues.


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