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18 Mar 2012, 1:22 am

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/8 ... keover.htm
http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/8 ... nsland.htm
so peter madden is a well know dipshit who is our resident homophobe and generally tries to vilify the queer community and bring the kids into it. this time he thought he'd drive around with a gay hate bus and have a prayer protest against equal marriage rights before the queensland elections(good luck to him). i think it is queensland that has the highest rate of homophobia in australia. just wondering what you all thought of the reaction though. the protest gives me small satisfaction, the vandalism to his billboard gave me a giggle. apparently he is coming to sydney to do the same again. this is what i mean by again:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_IjfpqUj0[/youtube]
i actually thought the video was hilarious but still disgusting. we protested this last time and i hope we do it again.
if you dont already hate him then this is his webpage:
http://www.petermadden.com.au/


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18 Mar 2012, 1:56 am

Just as homosexuals are fighting for their rights and are on the eve of winning, so too shall we fight for ours and win as well.



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18 Mar 2012, 1:59 am

Recently I have been hearing nothing but bad about Australia- Homophobia, Islamophobia, and probably when our movements becomes larger there will be autistophobia/asperphobia too in Australia.

So what is Australia's problem???



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18 Mar 2012, 2:43 am

We have an agenda? Makes me feel like Dr Evil :lol:



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18 Mar 2012, 2:44 am

Woofer123 wrote:
Just as homosexuals are fighting for their rights and are on the eve of winning, so too shall we fight for ours and win as well.


how would allowing gay marriage violate any of your rights? That does not even make any sense.


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18 Mar 2012, 3:25 am

If you approve of criminal damage in support of your cause, no matter how just you may think it, other people will use it - or worse - to downplay their own criminal activities.

Stupid behaviour, even though you might heartily disagree with the man's politics.



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18 Mar 2012, 3:38 am

Ahhh, the slippery slope fallacy.

Aside from his poor use of logic I found his comments about marriage as a historical tradition to be interesting. Not all societies have had marriage the way it is characterized now and not all societies practiced monogamy. Then there were those in which young children were married for political/economic reasons. I don't know if he's being intentionally misleading or if he's really that clueless when he talks about marriage as a timeless institution. It really has changed a lot over time; the Western concept of marriage for love is also a fairly recent development.



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18 Mar 2012, 5:35 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Woofer123 wrote:
Just as homosexuals are fighting for their rights and are on the eve of winning, so too shall we fight for ours and win as well.


how would allowing gay marriage violate any of your rights? That does not even make any sense.

it doesnt make sense if the statement is gay people will win their rights and we, who hate gay people, will also win our rights. this is what i thought the statement meant initially but then i realised that the "we" refered to was people on the spectrum and this was a statement of support linking both struggles.

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Recently I have been hearing nothing but bad about Australia- Homophobia, Islamophobia, and probably when our movements becomes larger there will be autistophobia/asperphobia too in Australia.

So what is Australia's problem???

yeah we have huge issues with homo and islamophobia among other things. the problem is that the government, church and corporatations perpetuate and encourage such prejudices through policy or statements eg. tony abbott(our opposition leader) saying he feels "intimidated" by gay people, being told refugees claiming refuge on basis of homosexuality are faking it, being told by the church that god created adam and eve, homophobic ads by politicians, being told that muslims all want to impose shar'ia on everyone, etc
im not kidding about the refugee thing:
http://www.caah.org/statements/statemen ... x2007a.htm
http://www.caah.org/articles/articles/c ... x2007a.htm
and the adverts:
http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/201 ... -ire/73782
http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/201 ... cies/74189



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18 Mar 2012, 8:35 am

Peter Madden needs to come out of the closet already.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... aight-male

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Both groups—non-homophobic and homophobic men—showed significant engorgement to the straight and lesbian porn and their subjective ratings of arousal matched their penile plethsymograph measure for these two types of video. However, as predicted, only the homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference in response to the gay male porn


Rabid homophobia is not just a river in Egypt.



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18 Mar 2012, 11:43 am

VMSmith wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Woofer123 wrote:
Just as homosexuals are fighting for their rights and are on the eve of winning, so too shall we fight for ours and win as well.


how would allowing gay marriage violate any of your rights? That does not even make any sense.

it doesnt make sense if the statement is gay people will win their rights and we, who hate gay people, will also win our rights. this is what i thought the statement meant initially but then i realised that the "we" refered to was people on the spectrum and this was a statement of support linking both struggles.



Oh alright, I very well I guess I misunderstood it...its not uncommon for that to take place.


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18 Mar 2012, 8:45 pm

VMSmith, you call yourself a Marxist-Leninist. You do realize that for decades communists of almost all stripes opposed LGBT rights, don't you? With the exception of the Eurocommunist tendency, communist parties didn't begin to support LGBT rights until the '90s.



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19 Mar 2012, 3:20 am

yes astrogeek, i am aware of this. marx himself said some downright homophobic things and, as sherry wolf says, you cannot polish a turd. and while many didnt support queer lib there were a bunch of them that did including mine(well its predecessor organisation anyhow.) that being said marxist writers did have a lot to say about sexuality and sexual practices and where they were lacking in theory modern marxists make up for that using marxist writting on the family and extrapolating it. take engles statement for example:
The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State:

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What we can conjecture about the way in which sexual relations will be ordered after the impending overthrow of capitalist production is mainly of a negative character, limited for the most part to what will disappear. But what will there be new? That will be answered when a new generation has grown up … When these people are in the world they will care precious little what anybody today thinks they ought to do; they will make their own practice and their corresponding public opinion about the sexual practice of each individual – and that will be the end of it.

also regardless of whether or not they did or didnt support it, during the russian revolution homosexuality was removed from the criminal code and same sex marriage legalised. that is more than we have now.
also you say "party"- do you mean party or action/campaign/propaganda groups because many of the communist parties with parliamentarism in mind became stalinist and stalinist organisations had huge issues with queer lib and womens lib.

if you need help using google to find stuff on queer lib from marxist lennist/international socialist/trotskyist groups id be happy to help. but im sure you'll be fine.

sweetleaf:m i wasnt being aggressive- i made the same mistake. i hope i didnt offend you.



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19 Mar 2012, 10:10 am

VMSmith wrote:
yes astrogeek, i am aware of this. marx himself said some downright homophobic things and, as sherry wolf says, you cannot polish a turd. and while many didnt support queer lib there were a bunch of them that did including mine(well its predecessor organisation anyhow.) that being said marxist writers did have a lot to say about sexuality and sexual practices and where they were lacking in theory modern marxists make up for that using marxist writting on the family and extrapolating it. take engles statement for example:
The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State:

Quote:
What we can conjecture about the way in which sexual relations will be ordered after the impending overthrow of capitalist production is mainly of a negative character, limited for the most part to what will disappear. But what will there be new? That will be answered when a new generation has grown up … When these people are in the world they will care precious little what anybody today thinks they ought to do; they will make their own practice and their corresponding public opinion about the sexual practice of each individual – and that will be the end of it.

also regardless of whether or not they did or didnt support it, during the russian revolution homosexuality was removed from the criminal code and same sex marriage legalised. that is more than we have now.
also you say "party"- do you mean party or action/campaign/propaganda groups because many of the communist parties with parliamentarism in mind became stalinist and stalinist organisations had huge issues with queer lib and womens lib.

if you need help using google to find stuff on queer lib from marxist lennist/international socialist/trotskyist groups id be happy to help. but im sure you'll be fine.

sweetleaf:m i wasnt being aggressive- i made the same mistake. i hope i didnt offend you.

I was just teasing. I just find it ironic what a change most Communist parties (by which I do mean the ones running for election) went through in that regard after the fall of the USSR when they had to start thinking for themselves.

(And I did know that homosexuality was legalized in the early days of the USSR. One of those things Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, et al. conveniently forgot when praising Lenin's other policies.)



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19 Mar 2012, 11:43 am

That piece of vandalism is beautiful,, but nowhere near as beautiful as a headline stating that Pete Madden had be busted trolling for c**k in a public restroom would be.


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08 Apr 2012, 11:04 am

Paulie_C wrote:
We have an agenda? Makes me feel like Dr Evil :lol:


We had better practice our evil laughs too.. MUAHAHAHA