Gays: Do you feel like "real" men?

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I mean, emotionally like a man, if you know what I mean.
I'm not saying you superficially pretend to be a man, but you feel male responsibilities/behaviors,etc.

Obviously, aside from sexual attraction, there's chivalry/honor type thing.
People don't just do that to get in women's pants.

It's a character thing.

Anyways...yeah.

Do you feel like you could be called a man?

OK so I'm not gay or a man, but I thought I'd poke my straight, female nose in all the same!

I think the idea of the male gender being tied in to things such as chivalry and honour is simply a social construct. While honour codes have been around for a very long time, the idea of 'chivalry' dates from Medieval times, relatively recent in terms of human development. What is considered 'manly' is quite a subjective and changeable thing.

Anyone who identifies as male could be called a man, whether or not all those men conform to a narrow and manufactured idea of masculinity.

This.

Also, why would a gay man be less of a man? I find your fundamental premise absurd.

I would also argue that a lot of men do just do the 'chivalry/honour type thing' as you put it to get into a persons pants. Just look at the people who get distraught and offended when the person they've been putting emotional support into doesn't want to be their sex partner (friend zoned people). As if being nice to them automatically gives them sexual rights.

Also, a lot of what used to be considered chivalry is just misogyny. So, am I a misogynist who expects sexual return on my emotional investments in people I find attractive? No. Am I man? Yes.

Also, offensive and misogynist to suggest that honour is something that only men can have. I've known far more female gentlemen types than male gentlemen.

That is called "bad character" and is disgraceful.

very good points. agree with both. also the definition of gay is a man soley attracted to men. asking if they define themselves as men seems a little stupid. its a really strange stereotype i suspect arises out of the top and bottom roles they might occupy. it is both sexist and homophobic to make comments about gay men not being masculine or insinuating they are not real men.

Exactly.

@muslimmetalhead - your homophobic comments are not welcome on this site, they are also against the site rules. This is the second such thread of yours locked in this forum. If you can't behave respectfully you will be banned from the site.

If you have questions to ask of the LGBT community and are curious about sexuality issues, I'm sure you can do so without appearing so hateful.