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04 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm

there been some talk about who and who's not bisexual on this forums.
So what is it then. who counts as bisexual. Take me Im 95% straight, Do I as a ''mostly'' straight guy count as bi?
are people who are attractive to both gender but choose to only have relationship with one gender are they bi.
If any here had to define bisexuality, how would you define it?



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04 Nov 2012, 1:38 pm

People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.



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04 Nov 2012, 1:59 pm

Rorberyllium wrote:
People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.


That not the question. This is not about what people call themselves. It what do people here consider to be bisexual.
If you had to define bisexuality how would you define it.



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04 Nov 2012, 2:09 pm

bisexuality is a term to describe people who are attracted to both men and women, not a fixed, invariant category. for me there is basically no attraction related difference between men and women, meaning that im equally likely to find a man or a woman attractive, have sex with a man or woman, develop feelings for a man or a woman or have a relationship with a man or a woman (the last mentioned probability would be asymptotic to zero but anyhow).

another person however might be mainly attracted to one gender but also find the other (opposite or same) gender somewhat attractive without really wanting to act on it and have sex with a person of that gender. again another person might be sexually attracted to both but only get into romantic relationships with one gender, or have some preference or tendency towards one gender, or be attracted to only one gender and then later in life to the other, or be mainly asexual but find men and women equally attractive, or also be attracted to people who dont identify as either gender.

i agree with Rorberyllium, bisexual is just a word, you can identify as whatever you feel suits you best. people like what they like and thats that.



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04 Nov 2012, 2:22 pm

The issue is you when you try to create a singular, agreed upon definition, especially for something as fluid and complex as human sexuality, it only serves to divide people, creating justification for separatism, which is not healthy at all in a community of people who are already being singled out and made to feel unwanted by society at large.

And people are always trying to do this. For example:
"If you are in a monogamous opposite sex relationship you are not bi".
"If you are in a monogamous same-sex relationship you are just gay"
"Bisexuals are just slu*ty/greedy"
"Bisexuals are just curious/closeted heterosexuals/homosexuals"
"If you identify as gay but have have enjoyed a sexual experience with the opposite sex you must be bi"
"If you identify as straight but have enjoyed a sexual experience with the same sex then you must be bi (or gay)"

Queer-on-queer hate is the poison that is tearing this community apart.

Live and let live, and stop trying to force people into your categories, let people discover their own identity for themselves.



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04 Nov 2012, 2:58 pm

Rorberyllium wrote:
People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.

Including republican christians who get caught with another man but say they are straight.



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04 Nov 2012, 4:04 pm

billiscool wrote:
Rorberyllium wrote:
People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.

Including republican christians who get caught with another man but say they are straight.


there might be some people who are in denial about their own sexual preferences because they think they are "wrong" (for what reason ever), but after all only the person themself can judge what they like and what not and i find it problematic to randomly accuse people of being in denial..

i heard the "straight and just sleeping with women because its cool" or "homosexual and just sleeping with men because in the closet" thing too, and i think it is equally nonsense to say "everyone is bisexual to some degree, straight/gay people just dont want to admit it". no. if you're straight you're simply straight, there is no need for a discussion.



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04 Nov 2012, 4:32 pm

billiscool wrote:
Rorberyllium wrote:
People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.

Including republican christians who get caught with another man but say they are straight.


Indeed. it's just fun to laugh at their expense and give them a bunch of crap for having homophobic viewpoints and being hypocrites. It's all in good fun.



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04 Nov 2012, 5:41 pm

Rorberyllium wrote:
billiscool wrote:
Rorberyllium wrote:
People are free to identify in whatever manner they are most comfortable. That is their call and nobody else can define how they feel.

Including republican christians who get caught with another man but say they are straight.


Indeed. it's just fun to laugh at their expense and give them a bunch of crap for having homophobic viewpoints and being hypocrites. It's all in good fun.


so what's the difference between right wing christian who get caught in a gay scandal but deny being gay or bi vs women
who openly admit to sleeping with both gender but deny being bi.
why are gay right groups and liberal so fast to label christian republican in gay sex scandal as gay but never call out women who refuse to call themself bi even after they admit to sleeping with both?



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04 Nov 2012, 7:57 pm

Perhaps because these women you refer to (and for that matter straight men who are MSM) are just being themselves and being comfortable, whereas republicans in gay scandals have a history of hypocrisy. So we point and laugh at them for doing the thing they claim to hate so much.Doesn't mean they are gay, and nobody here is saying that (you're just attacking strawmen at this point)



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04 Nov 2012, 10:40 pm

Rorberyllium wrote:
Perhaps because these women you refer to (and for that matter straight men who are MSM) are just being themselves and being comfortable, whereas republicans in gay scandals have a history of hypocrisy. So we point and laugh at them for doing the thing they claim to hate so much.Doesn't mean they are gay, and nobody here is saying that (you're just attacking strawmen at this point)

no I said liberals and gay right groups. I didn't say wrong planet posters. Strawmen, yeah they gay