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21 Feb 2013, 1:43 pm

This thread is just a light laughing at myself. You can join in.

But I am
Bi-gender (trans mostly, want continue to transition to male but I feel like I'm both genders at once)
bi-romantic (gender doesn't matter if I want to cuddle with you)
Bi-sexual (when I told a friend, her response was "Well, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually just gay." Ok thanks friend.
Bi-polar :P :P Not quite under the LGBT umbrella, but it does make me feel like I have ALL the bi. More!
Bi-pedal
Aww I kind of wanted to find more bis than this.


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21 Feb 2013, 3:42 pm

If you were biracial you'd be complete!



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21 Feb 2013, 4:11 pm

tribbles are also "bisexual." :wink:



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21 Feb 2013, 4:32 pm

*fellow bi-gender bisexual here* ;B

I think feeling like both genders at once is more of an androgynous thing, though. Personally, my bi-genderism is really polarized. *shrug*


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21 Feb 2013, 4:39 pm

Giving Androgyny a read, that's interesting

"Many androgynes identify as being mentally "between" woman and man, or as entirely genderless"

YES. Just not so sure on the genderless. Thanks for giving me something to research!


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21 Feb 2013, 5:03 pm

Glad I could help, lol. I'm really interested in LGBTQ stuff... it could probably be called a special interest of mine.


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21 Feb 2013, 8:01 pm

But it doesn't quite fit now that I think about it. I'm not the middle, I'm each end of the pole, existing in the same person. Like I have two souls, one male, one female. I use the term bi-gender, but it doesn't even feel right because I don't want to express one gender at one time and the other at another. I am always both at once.

Is there a term for that?


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21 Feb 2013, 9:57 pm

Well, that sounds like me then, only I don't usually feel like both at the same time. It's one or the other for me. Still sounds like bi-genderism to me, though maybe Two Spirit would fit more for you?


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22 Feb 2013, 8:28 am

I'm having a hard time understanding what bi-genderism is. I get being bisexual, transgender and and maybe genderless.
But what makes a person bi-gender?
I hear people say "I feel like both genders" but how do you know what being the other gender feels like or how they think?
Is it wanting to act in what the society sees as typically male or female manners at the same time?
There are many people who engage in both typically male or female activities. Are they all considered bi-gender? Aren't we all like that to some degree anyway?



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22 Feb 2013, 3:06 pm

I'm bi-sexual, but not bi-gender or anything like that. I don't place any connotations on "male", "female", "lesbian/gay","bi-sexual", "transgender" and so on - they just are. I do place connotations on "the average guy" or "the average girl", but when comes to "male" and "female" and so on, I just think of the basic concept of male and female, or the basic concept of heterosexuality and homosexuality and so on. (No, I'm not referencing reproductive parts when I say "the basic concept or male and female").



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22 Feb 2013, 6:01 pm

Yuzu wrote:
I hear people say "I feel like both genders" but how do you know what being the other gender feels like or how they think?

You could (and I'm sure some people have) say essentially say the same thing to deny someone's transgenderism.

Yuzu wrote:
Is it wanting to act in what the society sees as typically male or female manners at the same time?
There are many people who engage in both typically male or female activities. Are they all considered bi-gender? Aren't we all like that to some degree anyway?

That's not what it's like for me. Several things happen when I perceive myself as male versus perceiving myself as female:

1) My priorities shift.
2) I have a strong need for others to acknowledge I'm male.
3) I experience gender dysphoria.

I don't get to choose which I identify as at any given moment. It just kind of happens. What separates bi-genderism from androgyny is the extreme polarization that goes on, I believe. I'm not male and female at the same time. I'm male or female at any given time.


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22 Feb 2013, 7:45 pm

Yuugiri wrote:
That's not what it's like for me. Several things happen when I perceive myself as male versus perceiving myself as female:

1) My priorities shift.
2) I have a strong need for others to acknowledge I'm male.
3) I experience gender dysphoria.


So you think male and female have different priorities? What are your priorities when you are male, if you don't mind my asking?
Why do you have the strong need for others to acknowledge what gender you are? Because you feel people treat you differently according to gender? Because you treat others differently according to their gender?

Yuugiri wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
I hear people say "I feel like both genders" but how do you know what being the other gender feels like or how they think?

You could (and I'm sure some people have) say essentially say the same thing to deny someone's transgenderism.


I understand the physical aspect of transgenderism,(transsexuralism) i.e. gender dysphoria. I don't deny that at all.
But gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviour, activities and attributes that a particular society considers appropriate for men and women. So in a hypothetical society where there is no forced stereotypical ideas of male and female, there still would be gender dysphoria but there would be no transgenderism or bi-genderism. (mentally)

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems like by saying you're bi-gender, you are conforming to the stereotypical ideas of male and female that the society force upon us.

I don't know. I just wish people can do or feel whatever, without trying to identify it as male or female.



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22 Feb 2013, 8:33 pm

Priorities was perhaps the wrong word. Societal pressures fits better. When female, I worry about my appearance and my weight. When male, I get really insecure about not being "masculine" enough*. This mainly has to do with my inherently unhealthy reliance on the opinions of others (which ties in to the whole acknowledgement thing). It's not logical, and it's twisted thinking, but I have not yet overcome these emotions.

In that perfect, hypothetical world, no one would feel the need to categorize and stereotype gender. We do not live in that world.

I understand your point, though, and I largely agree with it. The thing is, I was skeptical myself of my gender identity. The only reason I lend it credence is because I experience gender dysphoria while identifying as male. I can think of no other explanation for it besides bi-genderism.

*Note that I don't feel pressured to be super manly tough or anything like that. I'm just worried about people denying who I am and seeing me as a girl/effeminate.


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22 Feb 2013, 10:30 pm

Yuugiri wrote:

In that perfect, hypothetical world, no one would feel the need to categorize and stereotype gender. We do not live in that world.


I'm going to preface this that I'm asking questions out of curiosity, and mean no disrespect. I was curious if we did live in that perfect world, would you still identify as bi-gender? Is being recognized how you're responding to the world important for you, or to clarify for others? I can understand the idea feeling polarized, but in a different way--being bisexual, I respond very differently to men I'm attracted to vs women. I'm just trying to understand a little more. :)



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22 Feb 2013, 10:40 pm

MjrMajorMajor wrote:
I'm going to preface this that I'm asking questions out of curiosity, and mean no disrespect. I was curious if we did live in that perfect world, would you still identify as bi-gender? Is being recognized how you're responding to the world important for you, or to clarify for others? I can understand the idea feeling polarized, but in a different way--being bisexual, I respond very differently to men I'm attracted to vs women. I'm just trying to understand a little more. :)

I wonder that myself. It could be that my gender dysphoria stems from my feelings on how I feel about gender and the way society treats it as a whole.

At the same time, regardless of where it comes from, I still feel it. I hate my hips, my chest, my everything (as a guy, I'm not particularly feeling it right now as I am in girl-mode). It all feels gross and alien, and I feel kind of... empty. I doubt it would go away, even if the world did recognize me as male. So yes, in that perfect world, I think I would still identify as bi-gendered -- the only difference would be that I would act/think virtually the same between between genders*.

*Note: My personality does not change based on my gender. My reactions do, to an extent, but only because of the aforementioned priority/pressure shift.


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22 Feb 2013, 10:44 pm

i like the term gender fluid to represent my current state.

panromantic and multisexual. i swear i didn't invent the last one