What do you guys think of the Star rankings?

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15 Nov 2020, 11:49 am

I'll explain it here: Basically there's four stars I know of: Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze star. Platinum Star Lesbians never done anything with a guy (like never dated a guy or kiss one), Gold is a Lesbian that never slept with a guy aka never did the kind of sex that lost your virginity, Silver Lesbians slept with a guy once and regretted it, and Bronze "Lesbians" slept with 2 guys (I have a feeling these are Febfems or Kinsey 5 bisexuals). Everything is the same for Gays except for Platinum star, which is a Gay that's never done anything with a guy, but also was delivered caesarean section. I do think Bronze star Gays are actually Gay because society takes male homosexuality more seriously than female homosexuality. People think lesbians are a category for x rated videos as well as coercing us with "you never know until you try". I sometimes think the star thing can be toxic on BOTH sides ie: Accusing silver stars of being bisexual, or the other side is even worse; they think r*pe victims don't count or the ones that sleep with 1 billion men and then think they're lesbian, when they're Kinsey 1 or 2 Bihets. The non goldstar and/or non silverstars are the more toxic ones imo.



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15 Nov 2020, 5:31 pm

This whole thing is toxic. Don't rank people in magnitudes of their sexual orientation based on history that might not line up on that orientation. This is the same messed up mindset that is in general used against people when they do something not heterosexual.

Calling men "gay" in a derogatory way when they get too close to their male friends, its the same thing that forces the stigma. Would a platinum straight girl have to be delivered by caesarean section? Don't pull this stuff.

And in general there does seem to be some dislike of bisexuals in this whole thing, like can't value a bisexual partner because she might have had sex with a man once. To make this totally clear, a person does not have to be bisexual because they have kissed or had sex with people of both/all genders, some people experiment. Do not act like people have been defiled for trying to find themselves, nor act like a bisexual partner is lesser.


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15 Nov 2020, 7:02 pm

The only one I'd ever heard of was Gold star lesbian. I never even knew gay men had an analogous ranking.

I don't think many lesbians use this ranking system so I don't have much of an opinion, and I don't care at all what gay men think about it.



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15 Nov 2020, 7:10 pm

The whole thing is nuts. How many stars do I get as a heterosexual? Do I get to put stars on my refrigerator? Sexual orientation is not a side bet on "Hot Or Not."


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15 Nov 2020, 7:22 pm

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How many stars do I get as a heterosexual?

You don't get any; it doesn't apply to heterosexuals. It's something that is meaningful only in a gay or lesbian context.



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16 Nov 2020, 2:13 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
This whole thing is toxic. Don't rank people in magnitudes of their sexual orientation based on history that might not line up on that orientation. This is the same messed up mindset that is in general used against people when they do something not heterosexual.

Calling men "gay" in a derogatory way when they get too close to their male friends, its the same thing that forces the stigma. Would a platinum straight girl have to be delivered by caesarean section? Don't pull this stuff.

And in general there does seem to be some dislike of bisexuals in this whole thing, like can't value a bisexual partner because she might have had sex with a man once. To make this totally clear, a person does not have to be bisexual because they have kissed or had sex with people of both/all genders, some people experiment. Do not act like people have been defiled for trying to find themselves, nor act like a bisexual partner is lesser.

I've only heard of it through real life and on the internet about the platinum star gay. I was never pulling this "stuff" because I've heard of the star rankings, and the star rankings are only for gays/lesbians, not bisexuals or heterosexuals, so that's irrelevant. I've never said that I hated bisexuals, but the people on thelchat sure do. There's some reasonable takes on there is because there's a bisexual (hypothetically) that was always attracted to men, but goes around saying they're so gay or a lesbian while either being in a relationship with a man, or cheats on the woman with a man, or only uses other women "for fun" or "as the side chick". I personally wouldn't mind dating a bisexual woman, but people on there have a point. I've come out as lesbian for a little while now, and this year is the first time I've ever heard of the star rankings. I understand if a woman slept with a guy once and regretted it, but when I hear about women dating 50+ guys and even sleeping with numerous guys, it just feels sus. Like how come you've dating 1,000 men, slept with more men than I can count on my hands and feet, but yet you've come to the realisation that you're a lesbian? I also understand if you were married once, had kids, and that was the only person that you're ever with in your life, but some of these people dated numerous men and slept with numerous men, it just doesn't sound logical to me. I do agree that the whole gold star discourse is toxic because of some of the bisexuals getting mad about how there are lesbians that never slept with a man, and as well as the gold and platinum stars accusing silver stars being bisexual and what not, but if you really want to know how toxic both sides are, go on tumblr, look up gold star lesbian, and find the most controversial opinions (on both sides).



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16 Nov 2020, 2:13 pm

starkid wrote:
old_comedywriter wrote:
How many stars do I get as a heterosexual?

You don't get any; it doesn't apply to heterosexuals. It's something that is meaningful only in a gay or lesbian context.

You're correct.



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16 Nov 2020, 2:19 pm

I guess Its the straight young male PUA competition turned on its head. Instead of the more opposite sex sex partners youve had it's the fewer.

Which only goes to show how dumb and inane both competitions are.



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16 Nov 2020, 3:44 pm

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I guess Its the straight young male PUA competition turned on its head. Instead of the more opposite sex sex partners youve had it's the fewer.

Which only goes to show how dumb and inane both competitions are.

Both sides on the discourse are very petty and toxic imo. Also, what's a PUA?



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16 Nov 2020, 5:06 pm

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I understand if a woman slept with a guy once and regretted it, but when I hear about women dating 50+ guys and even sleeping with numerous guys, it just feels sus. Like how come you've dating 1,000 men, slept with more men than I can count on my hands and feet, but yet you've come to the realisation that you're a lesbian? I also understand if you were married once, had kids, and that was the only person that you're ever with in your life, but some of these people dated numerous men and slept with numerous men, it just doesn't sound logical to me.


Some lesbians can be heavy in denial that they may have kept dating men to try and hope that they would feel the way that they are "supposed to", before coming to a conclusion that they have been wrong. Being treated like they are dirtied goods like some sort of 1 star lesbian because it took them time to come a realisation that they are attracted to men and not women, is just not cool nor a healthy part of the community.

I can't entirely say that as first hand experience as a lesbian, but I was almost thirty before I realised that I was bisexual. It can take people a fairly long time to come to terms with their sexuality, and whatever their sexual history is does not define what they are.

And there needs to be a bit less of shaming of bisexual people even with groups like lesbians. Bisexual people are not more likely to cheat just because they happen to be bisexual, and they are not less valid in their sexuality in switching. It is super unhealthy how bisexual people get treated as lesser as both groups, and other people try to unmask them like they are something else.
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16 Nov 2020, 5:09 pm

robotrecall wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I guess Its the straight young male PUA competition turned on its head. Instead of the more opposite sex sex partners youve had it's the fewer.

Which only goes to show how dumb and inane both competitions are.

Both sides on the discourse are very petty and toxic imo. Also, what's a PUA?


I first learned that acronym on this site so I...wrongly assumed everyone on WP knew it. :D

It's "pick up artist".



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16 Nov 2020, 9:45 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
I guess Its the straight young male PUA competition turned on its head. Instead of the more opposite sex sex partners youve had it's the fewer.

No, that's not what it's about at all.

Damn it's annoying when people try to guess at s**t. If you want to understand it, go read something about it; don't just guess.



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16 Nov 2020, 10:24 pm

I only heard o the star system once before. I see terms such as "hey mamas lesbian" or "uhual lesbian" . Most of the words y'all said I never heard of before.


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16 Nov 2020, 10:54 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
robotrecall wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I guess Its the straight young male PUA competition turned on its head. Instead of the more opposite sex sex partners youve had it's the fewer.

Which only goes to show how dumb and inane both competitions are.

Both sides on the discourse are very petty and toxic imo. Also, what's a PUA?


I first learned that acronym on this site so I...wrongly assumed everyone on WP knew it. :D

It's "pick up artist".

Thanks for letting me know what it meant.



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16 Nov 2020, 11:18 pm

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No, that's not what it's about at all.

Damn it's annoying when people try to guess at s**t. If you want to understand it, go read something about it; don't just guess.


It is more like lesbian purity culture, right? I also have the feeling there is a bit of TERF culture around it, I bet that trans lesbians won't be seen as being able to fit in these.


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18 Nov 2020, 1:59 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
starkid wrote:
No, that's not what it's about at all.

Damn it's annoying when people try to guess at s**t. If you want to understand it, go read something about it; don't just guess.


It is more like lesbian purity culture, right? I also have the feeling there is a bit of TERF culture around it, I bet that trans lesbians won't be seen as being able to fit in these.


I've seen / experienced similar themes in the trans community, "standards" to determine whether you're a "true" member. If you'll pardon the ironically appropriate crass euphemism, it's "penis measuring". It's their way "proving" that they're "the most" (whatever). It usually stems from internalized doubt - they've been questioned and doubted and disbelieved about who they are to such an extent, they feel compelled to "prove beyond all doubt" that they are absolutely 100% what they say they are. Typically they don't want other "less true" individuals associating with them, thus "watering down" the ideology of who they are.

I've even seen similar things happen within the autistic community, trying to validate who has REAL autism, and who merely has "slight" autism - and trying to keep the image "pure" so nobody thinks you're just one of those "fakers".

As far as "Gold Star" lesbian ideology, given that it seems to rely solely on avoidance of penis, it does tend to exclude transwomen, given that most transwomen have or have had a penis at some point in their lives.