Real "emo"/"screamo"/"skramz"

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anyone here a fan of actual emo music a la Rites of Spring, Drive Like Jehu, Envy, Saetia, Daitro, Mihai Edrisch, City of Caterpillar, or any others?

i've been a fan for years. i've liked a million other genres of music in between but the power behind a lot of these bands can really stick with you, even as your musical taste changes, or "matures".

whats your favorite band?

I am. In fact, I argued in defense of actual emo in this thread here. I keep saying that My Chemical Romance is to emo what A Simple Plan is to punk rock; i.e. not at all.

I'll repost the timeline I wrote on that thread:
1st Wave: Rites of Spring, Fugazi

2nd Wave: Sunny Day Real Estate, Pinkerton era-Weezer (unconsciously), early Modest Mouse, Cursive MK1 (1995-1998), Texas is the Reason

3rd Wave: Jimmy Eat World, Promise Ring, Braid, Cursive MK2 (1999-present), pre-Cassadaga Bright Eyes, At the Drive-In, Piebald

4th Wave: Blood Brothers, The Starting Line, Say Anything, Straylight Run, Sparta, Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly.

"Emo" (around the same time as 4th wave and makes it hard to distinguish between the two. This is the fake emo that most people identify as being apart of the genre): My Chemical Romance, Senses Fail, Hawthorne Heights, Fall Out Boy, The Spill Canvas, Madina Lake, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus

Under debate: Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional,

Not Emo: Panic at the Disco (this of course doesn't mean they're any good), Coheed & Cambria (are a prog rock band), Modest Mouse after The Moon & Antarctica.

PS: Death Cab for Cutie is not an emo band and never will be. They're an indie rock band.

Doesn't matter, it all sounds bollocks to me.

Glassjaw.

I'm also a fan of Rival Schools and At The Drive-In, and Finch's heavier moments really do recall old-school emo.

are you being sarcastic or are you just another person who equates MCR-esque emo to actual emo?

Both kinds are as shite as each other, that's what I meant.

but you DO understand that real emo isn't what MTV shows. I mean Weezer, Fugazi and Blood Brothers wouldn't be considered "emo" under what most people consider emo.

And were also talking about the non-emo bands I talked about, like Modest Mouse post-2000 or Death Cab for Cutie?

Honestly, do I look like I bloody care? It's all shite to me, no matter how much you try to convince me it isn't.

I don't listen to it, but I am SO HAPPY that someone here knows what actual emo is

cool. i wasn't sure what to expect as this isnt exactly a music-centred online community.

good to know there are people who know their music here.

i've always been a fan of the more epic side of the genre, rather than the punk-ish side that most euro skramz tends to follow. my favorite acts are Envy and City of Caterpillar, and have been for quite a while. Mihai Edrisch would come a close second to them both.

i just recently heard that City of Caterpillar and pg.99 are going to release a final split on robotic empire. one song each (the final song that neither of them had a chance to record in the studio before they broke up). there isnt a release date yet, but i'm still super excited to hear this.

I like Rites of Spring and a few similar bands from that era. In the first couple of years that emo existed, there were some decent records that I don't mind listening to every now and then, although it's generally not my kind of thing.

Really, I'm indifferent to emo; I just don't like it when people express strong opinions about it without really knowing what it is, and by that I mean at least being familiar with Rites of Spring and one or two other early emo bands and having some understanding of how it started and how it changed over the next 20+ years.

Support your local rock snob. It's not an easy life, but someone has to collect the records and haughtily correct the uninformed.

heh, see, i collect way too much vinyl. i fulfill the stereotype for sure.



anyone heard the new Capsule? i haven't heard a record like this in years.

Most "rock snobs" would look down on this bollocks. *Actual* emo is as s**t as that MTV produced dong... why is that you ask?

Simple, both have dramatic whinging. Both make me roll my eyes and say "eurgh".

But then again, you're all too bloody pretentious to get that fact and probably will defend possibly the worst genre in the world to the death. Bloody emo kids.

Let us see. I am a music writer. I've written essay upon essay on music in High School for my paper (odd because I was the movie critic, but they did not have a music critic so I became that by defacto because of my encyclopedic knowledge of music). I am a rock snob. I own several hundred CDs, LPs and actually one eight track tape (Pink Floyd's "Animals". Any real Floyd fan will tell you why that tape is unique). Friends call me Rob Gordon after the charecter played by John Cusack in the movie adaptation of Nick Hornby's excellent book "High Fidelity". Even Chuck Klosterman, the snobbiest rock snob of them all (and therefore the hero to many up and coming music critics like myself) likes real emo groups like Bright Eyes and talks about them in his essays.

At the Drive-In, Weezer, Modest Mouse and Bright Eyes, all emo bands or at one time flirted with the genre are all critically beloved, successful rock acts. Fugazi, who prided themselves on being fiercely independent are so on the opposite spectrum of the genre that the label of "emo" at least to the new MTVemo standard, they are now a "punk band".

For instance, the genre of "rap" encompasses both the uninventive music of MiMs and Flo Rida and the 5 1/2 minutes of genius that is OutKast's "B.O.B." (which is a song loved by even non-hip hop fans). The genre of "alternative rock" encompasses both the boringness of Candlebox and the innovativeness of My Bloody Valentine. Country includes both the Wal-Mart Country musicians like Alan Jackson and the real country of Johnny Cash. Even in the worst genres there are great bands and many of the newer bands are the ones that suck. However, "emo" to some kids has now become a label for all rock music. A kid saw my Arctic Monkeys t-shirt today and called me emo. Arctic Monkeys are not emo in the least. Not even good emo. They're either a Britpop band or a Post-Punk Revival band. I hate MCR and Fall Out Boy (well actually the only good thing about FOB is that their drummer is pretty good, but everything else about them is awful) because they have cheapened an otherwise excellent genre. Ditto Hawthorne Heights an all the bands I listed as Fake Emo.
Alot of the fake emo comes from bands who don't grasp what The Cure was about. The Cure formed in 1976, and out of their first recordings inadvertedly started alternative rock (the Velvets and the Stooges INFLUENCED alternative rock, ditto punk. The Cure, XTC, The Jam, Squeeze - this is where it started). Then they moved to darker music on their second and third record culminating in the tome of gloom that is "Pornography". The next recording they did was the single "Let's Go to Bed". That song is as far away from the songs on "Pornography" as you could possibly get. They've now spent 25 years combining these two extremes. Fake emo bands - instead of having this balance - have instead poppified "Pornography"-era music instead of adding pop to it.
Thank you for letting me waste your time.

Question, MrFrancisAndrew, what music do you consider good?

Yeah. No one ever writes whiney songs in any other genre.

Oh wait, yeah they do, in virtually every vocal format in history.



Oh the sweet ironing. You quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

For that matter, if you think it's s**t, why are you still in the thread? Surely the one post saying you don't like it would suffice, but instead you continue to return, suggesting to me that you are just trying to stir the pot.

Damn people, these talks always end up so ret*d. The truth is that there is no such thing as Emo. There was a trend in Punk after Hardcore got stupid and violent (sometime mid-eighties). Ian MacKaye was in Embrace, Rites of Spring happened, even back then, people were coming up "emo-core" and saying s**t like "it's Emotional hardcore" and the people who were actually making the music were like "what the f**k? Hardcore was already emotional!" The thing is, we can try to label s**t all we want, but all this incredible music like Indian Summer, Hoover, Cap'n Jazz, Swing Kids, City of Caterpillar, Circle takes the Square, is so diverse that to try to put them into a box with a three, or six letter word is just dumb. Moral of the story--DIY, listen to the music (and the lyrics because usually their more interesting than just sad, or emotional or whatever), and stop labeling s**t!

I can't really get into CTTS, but I really appreciate what they're doing with music; very innovative.
Was anyone else as f*****g bummed about LifeAtTheseSpeeds break up as I was? And how's the last album?
O, and what else iz ppl rockn over here?
i'm into Kaki King, Capoeira, Samba, Velvets, Joy Division, Happy Go Licky...I wish I listened to more Jazz but It's hard for me to find some that i'm really into. Any suggestions?