20 Oct 2011, 11:23 pm
21 Oct 2011, 4:07 am
It's only isolating in the sense, that the only albums I will now sought after are newer work from older bands.
For example, Coldplay's new album etc. etc.
I will never get round the concept of what my two sisters do, which is shape their music taste around the Top 40 charts. I could never do that.
I prefer to listen to older music, which genuinely sounds better than what today's music sounds like.
It sounds geriatric, but comparing Screamadelica or Abbey Road with something of today, needs no debate. The older stuff will win, hands down. Not because they made it first, but because, it has heart, passion, and even some sort of soul. Alot of what is being churned out sounds the polar opposite of this. It's as if musicians are doing it for the money, and money alone. 
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21 Oct 2011, 4:26 am
i haven't heard any modern drummers that could hold a candle to chick webb. or to gene krupa/buddy rich, for that matter.
21 Oct 2011, 8:43 am
23 Oct 2011, 9:32 am
auntblabby wrote:
i haven't heard any modern drummers that could hold a candle to chick webb. or to gene krupa/buddy rich, for that matter.
All amazing Drummers, especially Buddy Rich.
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23 Oct 2011, 10:41 am
Alternative wrote:
It's only isolating in the sense, that the only albums I will now sought after are newer work from older bands.
For example, Coldplay's new album etc. etc.
I will never get round the concept of what my two sisters do, which is shape their music taste around the Top 40 charts. I could never do that.
I prefer to listen to older music, which genuinely sounds better than what today's music sounds like.
It sounds geriatric, but comparing Screamadelica or Abbey Road with something of today, needs no debate. The older stuff will win, hands down. Not because they made it first, but because, it has heart, passion, and even some sort of soul. Alot of what is being churned out sounds the polar opposite of this. It's as if musicians are doing it for the money, and money alone.
For example, Coldplay's new album etc. etc.
I will never get round the concept of what my two sisters do, which is shape their music taste around the Top 40 charts. I could never do that.
I prefer to listen to older music, which genuinely sounds better than what today's music sounds like.
It sounds geriatric, but comparing Screamadelica or Abbey Road with something of today, needs no debate. The older stuff will win, hands down. Not because they made it first, but because, it has heart, passion, and even some sort of soul. Alot of what is being churned out sounds the polar opposite of this. It's as if musicians are doing it for the money, and money alone.
Although I agree older popular music is better than modern popular music. I don't think people should judge modern music by the top charts. There are many underground artists around today, that are in it for the music. The underground scene is allot larger so it wouldn't make sense to judge by the top charts. Just don't expect to see them on television or hear them on commercialized radio stations. You could be surprised of how much great modern music you can find just by searching around the net. Sites like last.fm make finding new music very easy.
23 Oct 2011, 4:05 pm
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23 Oct 2011, 6:37 pm
auntblabby wrote:
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Did you restore your copy yourself?
yeah, i was too cheap to fork over the duckies for the AVID boxed set, so i took my 1999 sony/columbia remastered version and ripped it onto my puter restoration suite, then went to work on it. several thousand edits later, i have the condensed version that purists would hate but i would take to a desert island with me if that were the only CD i could take with me. in order to squeeze 120 minutes of concert onto an 80-minute CDR, i cut out nearly all the applause, using crossfades so as to not seem to have butchered the concert. i used a CEDAR DCX digital declicker module to remove the lions share of crackle and clicks, then used several software apps to remove the remaining rumble, hiss, groove roar, chuffing and swishing, etc. i used an inverse extraction app to monitor how much noise i was removing to make sure i didn't cut into the music, as a quality control measure. i left out the didactic section early in the first half of the concert [after "life goes to a party"] and also i cut out "loch lamond" and "honeysuckle rose" to fit in the songs i liked the best. i raised some ultra-quiet parts further above the noise floor and using dynamic EQ tamped down some harsh upper midranges on soloist martha tilton singing "bei mir, bist du schön." since the sony/columbia CD originally was sourced from a variety of original and copied-from-original discs, there is a lot of variability in the sound quality/noise level, this was the hardest thing to compensate for, and for this reason i had to use some treble heterodyning in order to make the inferior sourced parts sound uniform relative to the rest. the noise [mainly hiss] i left in [for the purposes of psychoacoustic dither, which made the low-level treble hysterisis less noticeable] is fairly level after all that, which i am proud of accomplishing. then finally, i decorrelated the channels to give it more of a realistic quasi-stereophonic spaciousness one would expect from a tony venue like carnegie hall. i hope this made sense.
Wow, that's really impressive. I like to play around with digital audio, but I don't have the patients, ear, or talent to do anything like that!
I can definitely butcher some stuff though...
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23 Oct 2011, 9:45 pm
GoonSquad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Did you restore your copy yourself?
yeah, i was too cheap to fork over the duckies for the AVID boxed set, so i took my 1999 sony/columbia remastered version and ripped it onto my puter restoration suite, then went to work on it. several thousand edits later, i have the condensed version that purists would hate but i would take to a desert island with me if that were the only CD i could take with me. in order to squeeze 120 minutes of concert onto an 80-minute CDR, i cut out nearly all the applause, using crossfades so as to not seem to have butchered the concert. i used a CEDAR DCX digital declicker module to remove the lions share of crackle and clicks, then used several software apps to remove the remaining rumble, hiss, groove roar, chuffing and swishing, etc. i used an inverse extraction app to monitor how much noise i was removing to make sure i didn't cut into the music, as a quality control measure. i left out the didactic section early in the first half of the concert [after "life goes to a party"] and also i cut out "loch lamond" and "honeysuckle rose" to fit in the songs i liked the best. i raised some ultra-quiet parts further above the noise floor and using dynamic EQ tamped down some harsh upper midranges on soloist martha tilton singing "bei mir, bist du schön." since the sony/columbia CD originally was sourced from a variety of original and copied-from-original discs, there is a lot of variability in the sound quality/noise level, this was the hardest thing to compensate for, and for this reason i had to use some treble heterodyning in order to make the inferior sourced parts sound uniform relative to the rest. the noise [mainly hiss] i left in [for the purposes of psychoacoustic dither, which made the low-level treble hysterisis less noticeable] is fairly level after all that, which i am proud of accomplishing. then finally, i decorrelated the channels to give it more of a realistic quasi-stereophonic spaciousness one would expect from a tony venue like carnegie hall. i hope this made sense.
Wow, that's really impressive. I like to play around with digital audio, but I don't have the patience, ear, or talent to do anything like that!
I can definitely butcher some stuff though... it is not quite talent, but it was strictly trial and error. i made hundreds of coasters before i learned how to make good CDs, so i know about "butchering music." it wasn't patience so much as stubborn devotion to the excellence of the result- since i had to live with the result of my extended labors and expenditure of time, so i had to do it right or as right as i could make it. my most recent iteration of restoration of the benny goodman carnegie hall CD, is my fifth try at it. i first tried it back in 2000, shortly after the sony/columbia 1999 carnegie hall "remaster" came out on the market- i was so offended by the sony's horrible sound quality that in my haste to make it more listenable, rushed the job and made an equally horrible-sounding coaster. it was a long process of learning how to listen deeply enough, combined with much needed practice by repetition on my restoration software package, that led me to my most recent definitive CD a full decade after my first try. i am eager for other people to listen to my version of this concert, and compare it with the various other versions out there. i'd frankly like for you to hear it also.
23 Oct 2011, 10:05 pm
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24 Oct 2011, 8:17 am
auntblabby wrote:
it is not quite talent, but it was strictly trial and error. i made hundreds of coasters before i learned how to make good CDs, so i know about "butchering music." it wasn't patience so much as stubborn devotion to the excellence of the result- since i had to live with the result of my extended labors and expenditure of time, so i had to do it right or as right as i could make it. my most recent iteration of restoration of the benny goodman carnegie hall CD, is my fifth try at it. i first tried it back in 2000, shortly after the sony/columbia 1999 carnegie hall "remaster" came out on the market- i was so offended by the sony's horrible sound quality that in my haste to make it more listenable, rushed the job and made an equally horrible-sounding coaster. it was a long process of learning how to listen deeply enough, combined with much needed practice by repetition on my restoration software package, that led me to my most recent definitive CD a full decade after my first try. i am eager for other people to listen to my version of this concert, and compare it with the various other versions out there. i'd frankly like for you to hear it also.
Sure, I'd love to have a copy!
I'll pm later and we can workout details.
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