Dislike of Metal
05 Feb 2016, 7:08 pm
beakybird wrote:
Outrider wrote:
Metal's not my thing but I still appreciate the artistry and believe many metal musicians are very talented.
However, a lot of metal goes for the 'raw' style and a sound that isn't 'over-produced' because they don't want to sound like pop music.
I personally don't like this and prefer most professional music to be produced with a clear and pristine sound to it.
Barring the screaming and aggressive vocals, the quality of most heavy metal music is quite poor from an audio engineering perspective.
Guitars are amped into overdrive and distorted beyond quality sound, the bass is muffled and poorly EQed, the drums, especially the hi-hats and cymbals, are also poorly EQed and extremely messy within the mix. Some metal bands over-compress their sounds, killing all dynamic range that once existed in the song. Most of their music is recorded with low quality/cheap microphones and mixed and mastered with sub-par equipment and they use cheap speakers.
However, there are also plenty of metal bands with a clear, professional sound that I appreciate. Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Lamb of God being a few.
I listen to a bit of instrumental metal, specifically instrumental versions of music from the bands I listed above.
The vocals themselves are raw and natural, but I can understand if you wouldn't like them. I don't either.
I appreciate those who want to do things differently and the underground - those that use Lo-fi or just don't conform to audio engineering standards in general.
But like I said if you want to make professional music I believe clear and great quality is the way to go to get the best possible sound.
A lot of commercial music though doesn't care about quality and is over-compressed and poorly engineered. A lot of pop music and electronic of today especially.
But likewise, the underground also is far more apathetic to good sound quality, especially because they have less access to all the expensive equipment studio professionals use.
Basically, those that don't have the technology can't make good stuff, those that do use it wrong.
But there is a niche of audio engineers and audiophiles who do care about getting the best quality out of their music. Communities such as Gearslutz, the number one site for audiophiles and music producers who want the best quality music to be made.
I am a part of this crowd, a Trance producer who doesn't adhere to the current standards of modern electronic production. I don't overcompress my music as part of electronic music's current loudness war. Most electronic producers are making their music extremely loud to the point the actual quality of the sound is ruined.
Back to metal:
I just don't always think a more 'natural' and 'rough' way of producing music gives it 'character' or anything like that - usually it's just an excuse to make something that's purely bad.
What I mean is, know your audience, know your goals, and know your context. If you want the natural sound, use it right and appropriately, if you want the professional sound, again use it right and appropriately.
In short OP: Try listening to instrumental metal, but be aware a lot of it's poor quality sounds that were hidden behind the screaming vocals. So even if you seek instrumental metal, you'll have to go through a lot of bad sounding stuff first.
I'll get you started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNeg0wR1HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwkcBL-_mM
If you still want to experience the deep lyrics, just google them and read them. Music lyrics ARE a type of poetry anyway - reading the lyrics without the song is like reading regular poetry really.
However, a lot of metal goes for the 'raw' style and a sound that isn't 'over-produced' because they don't want to sound like pop music.
I personally don't like this and prefer most professional music to be produced with a clear and pristine sound to it.
Barring the screaming and aggressive vocals, the quality of most heavy metal music is quite poor from an audio engineering perspective.
Guitars are amped into overdrive and distorted beyond quality sound, the bass is muffled and poorly EQed, the drums, especially the hi-hats and cymbals, are also poorly EQed and extremely messy within the mix. Some metal bands over-compress their sounds, killing all dynamic range that once existed in the song. Most of their music is recorded with low quality/cheap microphones and mixed and mastered with sub-par equipment and they use cheap speakers.
However, there are also plenty of metal bands with a clear, professional sound that I appreciate. Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Lamb of God being a few.
I listen to a bit of instrumental metal, specifically instrumental versions of music from the bands I listed above.
The vocals themselves are raw and natural, but I can understand if you wouldn't like them. I don't either.
I appreciate those who want to do things differently and the underground - those that use Lo-fi or just don't conform to audio engineering standards in general.
But like I said if you want to make professional music I believe clear and great quality is the way to go to get the best possible sound.
A lot of commercial music though doesn't care about quality and is over-compressed and poorly engineered. A lot of pop music and electronic of today especially.
But likewise, the underground also is far more apathetic to good sound quality, especially because they have less access to all the expensive equipment studio professionals use.
Basically, those that don't have the technology can't make good stuff, those that do use it wrong.
But there is a niche of audio engineers and audiophiles who do care about getting the best quality out of their music. Communities such as Gearslutz, the number one site for audiophiles and music producers who want the best quality music to be made.
I am a part of this crowd, a Trance producer who doesn't adhere to the current standards of modern electronic production. I don't overcompress my music as part of electronic music's current loudness war. Most electronic producers are making their music extremely loud to the point the actual quality of the sound is ruined.
Back to metal:
I just don't always think a more 'natural' and 'rough' way of producing music gives it 'character' or anything like that - usually it's just an excuse to make something that's purely bad.
What I mean is, know your audience, know your goals, and know your context. If you want the natural sound, use it right and appropriately, if you want the professional sound, again use it right and appropriately.
In short OP: Try listening to instrumental metal, but be aware a lot of it's poor quality sounds that were hidden behind the screaming vocals. So even if you seek instrumental metal, you'll have to go through a lot of bad sounding stuff first.
I'll get you started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNeg0wR1HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwkcBL-_mM
If you still want to experience the deep lyrics, just google them and read them. Music lyrics ARE a type of poetry anyway - reading the lyrics without the song is like reading regular poetry really.
I'm not sure what metal you've been listening to, as "metal" today spans SO many diverse sounds. The only constants more or less are guitars and drums or drum sounds.
As someone who appreciates both clarity and rawness I tend to disagree with many of your perspectives.
As you stated the vast majority of metal bands today (save for corporate, sh***y whores like Metallica) cannot afford most of the upper end recording equipment/studios. Nor would most of the studios know what to do with many of these styles of music to frame it in it's best form.
Rawness and good production can coexist, but it doesn't always give the music it's most fitting sound in my opinion. Clarity is a tricky issue. How clear do you expect distortion to be? Especially distortion today on 7, 8 and 9 string guitars. That and being riddled with double kick drums and often a bass player and deep growling can be a low end onslaught that, while I'm not experienced in the field, I'd imagine presents significant obstacles in presenting "clarity". I put that in quotes because is distortion not the opposite of clarity? Again, I'll respect you have a deeper knowledge in engineering, but this concept doesn't make sense to me.
Sure the guitars are loud. It's metal for crying out loud. Todays guitar players in many styles spend as much time on getting the right gear to achieve the tonality and crunch they are looking for as they do writing the music. That may not be your thing, but I'm sure many of the bands, even using smaller studios or even self-producing, are getting the guitar sound they want on the recording. What you is hear is what they want you to hear for the most part (equipment limitations aside). I think usually someone in the band is far more hands on and involved with the engineering part of the process.
Bass wise, again it's stylistic. I actually prefer very clear, bright bass. I love the pluck and clear bounce of a good bassline. I hate when it's buried. Some music calls for that though. Which is why many bands have started to even forgo bass players altogether. Meshuggah comes to mind. There isn't a lot of room for bass when you have two guitar players playing 8-strings.
Drums, again are going to often be focused on low end, as double kick is employed very often in many styles. That's what they want to come through more. It is what it is. You like it or don't.
I like a few bands where their recording is intentionally muddled. They, artistically, want to create an almost indistinguishable wall of sound. While I don't always prefer the outcome, it's a conscious artistic choice.
Now don't get me wrong, there are MANY badly recorded albums. Some of my favorites in fact. And it's a shame when that happens. But broke bands sometimes run into that. Especially 15-20 years ago or more.
But I don't think this is all an excuse to make something bad. It's just not your taste. Motivated, passionate musicians today, get out there what they intend to get out there 9 times out of 10. Maybe 8. But it's alot. Many albums are at least co-engineered by a band member.
And again, this is metal. You said it yourself, know your audience, know what you want to accomplish. The kind of clarity and perfection you seek is not really appropriate for most styles of metal. What, most often, a band wishes to accomplish is to adequately reflect what they sound like in person. In person, metal shows are rarely leveled properly, or even close to it. All but the elite of the elite metal bands don't make money off of selling their music today. Albums are now, for the most part promotional material that brings people out to shows buying tickets, and most importantly merchandise. So the album wants to capture this raw, unpolished element of the experience. Metal shows are often loud, sweaty, drunken and many times bloody experiences. That should be captured to some degree on what is put out.
Yeah, for the most part that's what I meant, sorry if I didn't communicate that well.
I mean to say for all the raw and rough metal, there is a time and place for it, of course - local festivals, pub bands, garage bands, etc. but once you go further than playing gigs and releasing cassette tape demos, if you want to get a commercial and professional sound, you've got to up your production quality. This is true for all kinds of music and not limited to metal.
A rough and unpolished sound can only get you so far.
I just find the metal culture and its concept of 'selling out' is so restrictive it can sometimes prevent bands from getting a more clear, clean and professional sound without being considered by fans to be overproducing/going the pop route.
This is Blink-182 before they 'sold out':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buGm4CbEZA
Still, definitely very talented group, but from a sound engineering perspective, it could be better quality. Then there's after they 'sold out' and made it big:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ht5RZpzPqw
Not referring to the lyrics or melodies, which are quite pop-sounding, the actual sound quality is now improved.
Maybe it's invalid of me to use a Pop Rock band example, but switch the top video with old Metallica garage demos and the bottom with once their music became big and it's still the same thing.
Yeah, today most metal bands (or any musician of any genre) won't get very far or become famous. It was always like this but with the rise of the internet and the music distribution over it, it's now even harder.
The poorly produced albums is what I'm talking about. Maybe I over-exaggerated how many metal bands produce poor material even once they've started getting attention, but they still exist.
It's good metal fans appreciate that raw sound though and metal bands can portray it well. But to me there comes a point where, to my own ears, it sounds less 'raw' and 'natural' and more 'poorly produced on cheap equipment'.
I'm not sure the two metal songs I listed for example would be appreciated at a festival or in a bar if they were played the exact same way they sound in the video. People would be angry that the raw and natural sound is lacking, because that's what they want at a concert.
Just like your listener at home doesn't want their album to sound like a concert (that is, not produced in the studio) unless they specifically bought their tour/live album.
All genres have this as well. Even electronic music I know in the past it was more about having raw talent - playing analog synths by hand and multi-tracking them, doing their best but ignoring tiny mistakes here and there, it use to have that 'human touch'. Now it's just made purely by point-and-click on the computer.
Today, electronic concerts are usually massive festivals and are all about LOUD, HIGH-ENERGY party music. It fits...at festivals! The issue is for the at home listener, electronic still keeps this loud, distorted but unappealing quality to it. Something metal, all genres, should avoid imho.
Unless you buy live/tour albums, I don't expect other albums to sound like concerts or played in a bar, etc. I want it to sound studio-made...
Your other point about metal can co-exist with raw sound - agreed.
05 Feb 2016, 8:27 pm
Many metal bands prefer to stay in the underground. Yes there is better sound quality when a band becomes big. Better sound doesn't always mean better. Car Seat Headrest just signed to a label but he keeps his lo fi quality. I think a band should release albums with the sound quality that they like. A band shouldn't have to pander to the mainstream. If that happened we would be in hell with too many 360 artists.
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05 Feb 2016, 10:22 pm
thewrll wrote:
Many metal bands prefer to stay in the underground. Yes there is better sound quality when a band becomes big. Better sound doesn't always mean better. Car Seat Headrest just signed to a label but he keeps his lo fi quality. I think a band should release albums with the sound quality that they like. A band shouldn't have to pander to the mainstream. If that happened we would be in hell with too many 360 artists.
But as unfortunate as it may be that is usually just what happens when you do go mainstream. If you're with one of the bigger labels, you're now under contract - the labels make certain demands of you, want you to meet certain deadlines, etc.
Even if Car Seat Headrest you speak of continue to make Lo-Fi, I think it's quite possible they may now release one or two songs, LPs or Albums with more of a mainstream feel to it. It'll expand their fanbase beyond the small niche of people who prefer Lo-Fi and make more money for the label, which is what they want from you.
Almost every musician does this once they start to hit it big. They might continue to make their artistically complex stuff but they'll also make quick, accessible music for the masses to continue their fame.
It doesn't matter what genre it is as I always observe this.
Small, independent labels usually continue to allow creativity - larger labels however, not so much.
05 Feb 2016, 11:21 pm
Outrider wrote:
thewrll wrote:
Many metal bands prefer to stay in the underground. Yes there is better sound quality when a band becomes big. Better sound doesn't always mean better. Car Seat Headrest just signed to a label but he keeps his lo fi quality. I think a band should release albums with the sound quality that they like. A band shouldn't have to pander to the mainstream. If that happened we would be in hell with too many 360 artists.
But as unfortunate as it may be that is usually just what happens when you do go mainstream. If you're with one of the bigger labels, you're now under contract - the labels make certain demands of you, want you to meet certain deadlines, etc.
Even if Car Seat Headrest you speak of continue to make Lo-Fi, I think it's quite possible they may now release one or two songs, LPs or Albums with more of a mainstream feel to it. It'll expand their fanbase beyond the small niche of people who prefer Lo-Fi and make more money for the label, which is what they want from you.
Almost every musician does this once they start to hit it big. They might continue to make their artistically complex stuff but they'll also make quick, accessible music for the masses to continue their fame.
It doesn't matter what genre it is as I always observe this.
Small, independent labels usually continue to allow creativity - larger labels however, not so much.
Well as someone with a limited musical taste I only speak from the perspective of the genre I prefer.
I like very little that is close to mainstream. I like chaotic, I like violent, I like noise. Thats not always what I like, but it is a large part of it.
I do also think you somewhat fail to see how most metal bands today have to operate. As in, where metal stands in the music hierarchy.
Its not a career where one can expect wide ranging success. It becomes about perpetuating the art form. Again, I like music that, for the most part requires an acquired taste.
06 Feb 2016, 7:37 am
But any musician of almost any genre will have trouble making it big. For every famous musician/band of any genre, there's 100,000 no names who make the exact same genre.
I do know what you mean though - someone who makes metal is less likely to be 'discovered' than a pop musician, but for every popstar there's also 100,000 just as talented people not getting the same recognition.
If anything metal does have some advantages where other genres don't.
Rock and metal can get gigs and such at pubs and festivals, but a more obscure sound it's hard to get any performances anywhere. This is the case in my city as Pop Rock and Rock dominate - anything else will get you nowhere. A guy from my old school was lucky enough to be a pop rock musician in a pop rock band in a town that really likes it, he's actually somewhat semi-famous and I still see on his music pages he gets gigs all the time at local events...
"Its not a career where one can expect wide ranging success. It becomes about perpetuating the art form. Again, I like music that, for the most part requires an acquired taste."
Well I think even for smaller, independent musicians, there is always the choice of how they make their productions.
I'm a beginner electronic musician and the pristine, clean style is a part of the sound. So even if I'm going to spend my whole life in the underground/independent, I still enjoy making my sound quality clean and professional. I could go the more 'raw, natural, human touch' route, something plenty of other independent electronic producers already do, but out of choice I am not interested in that. I could be using Analog synthesizers, multi-tracking techniques and all those other gadgets and toys but I prefer not to. Just my computer and keyboard and good quality plackback speakers and headphones for me.
Metal bands don't have to go this as well, though my own personal taste simply prefers metal musicians that do, no matter how famous or obscure they are.
I suggest we accept we both have different tastes in metal, though you're luckier as what you seek in the genre is far more easier to find.
Simply put I disagree raw and natural MUST be part of the sound, just like clean and pristine must be a part of the sound of other genres. It's entirely up to the independent musician, and this is what I love about independent musicians - all sorts of diversity and creativity out there.
If anyone knows any good independent instrumental metal bands that do incorporate professional level sound quality, hit me up.
It's not as costly as one might think to try and get good sound quality. Yeah, the equipment's expensive along with all the programs to get good quality sound, but you don't have to hire an entire studio out or anything to get studio-level quality, and in fact it's possible with actual skill to sometimes get quality usually more expensive gear would get you. It's simply more time-consuming and a lot to learn to do stuff more expensive gear could do easily but it's possible.
06 Feb 2016, 6:55 pm
zeertheseer wrote:
do you know any metal that doesn't say sad things? literally every single Metal song I have heard has deep lyrics its true, but there huge debby downers.
This is true. But the thing about Metal negativity is its capacity to embrace tragedy, not in a melancholy way, but in a "f*ck you" sort of way.
07 Feb 2016, 7:46 pm
"Again I don't see why bands need to have better sound quality."
They don't. But maybe it would attract slightly more listeners if there was just a tad bit more that did, i.e. me and anyone who shares my want for good sound quality. If 75% of metal didn't but 25% did, that would be better than 90% not and 10% having it.
Sound quality is up to the musician, though metal bands that do choose to make both good sound quality and raw stuff just might have an advantage over one's that don't.
Apply this to any genre that doesn't care about sound quality, really.
I also like to listen to a lot of Ambient.
It is very unconventional so it doesn't always focus on sound quality at all but just the art/aesthetics of the music, but some good sound quality ambient definitely attracts me more than the muffled, poorer sounding stuff.
I can't make ambient myself because the standards I've set for myself - when I try and make it I just don't want my stuff to sound muffled or unclear or raw, I like it to sound clean and clearer...ambient is harder to do this than traditional music.
08 Feb 2016, 6:57 am
Outrider wrote:
"Again I don't see why bands need to have better sound quality."
They don't. But maybe it would attract slightly more listeners if there was just a tad bit more that did, i.e. me and anyone who shares my want for good sound quality. If 75% of metal didn't but 25% did, that would be better than 90% not and 10% having it.
Sound quality is up to the musician, though metal bands that do choose to make both good sound quality and raw stuff just might have an advantage over one's that don't.
Apply this to any genre that doesn't care about sound quality, really.
I also like to listen to a lot of Ambient.
It is very unconventional so it doesn't always focus on sound quality at all but just the art/aesthetics of the music, but some good sound quality ambient definitely attracts me more than the muffled, poorer sounding stuff.
I can't make ambient myself because the standards I've set for myself - when I try and make it I just don't want my stuff to sound muffled or unclear or raw, I like it to sound clean and clearer...ambient is harder to do this than traditional music.
They don't. But maybe it would attract slightly more listeners if there was just a tad bit more that did, i.e. me and anyone who shares my want for good sound quality. If 75% of metal didn't but 25% did, that would be better than 90% not and 10% having it.
Sound quality is up to the musician, though metal bands that do choose to make both good sound quality and raw stuff just might have an advantage over one's that don't.
Apply this to any genre that doesn't care about sound quality, really.
I also like to listen to a lot of Ambient.
It is very unconventional so it doesn't always focus on sound quality at all but just the art/aesthetics of the music, but some good sound quality ambient definitely attracts me more than the muffled, poorer sounding stuff.
I can't make ambient myself because the standards I've set for myself - when I try and make it I just don't want my stuff to sound muffled or unclear or raw, I like it to sound clean and clearer...ambient is harder to do this than traditional music.
Thing is, you are likely in a small minority with the things you prioritize in the music you like. I'm not sure many people value the quality of the recording/production over the actual music itself. I believe the only people giving much thought are probably musicians themselves.
I do see what you mean about metal bands having some advantages. In that style of music its fairly easy to get limited underground exposure, especially if the area you live in supports a music scene. Problem is, success for these bands is a fairly low ceiling. Especially as we've seen here, if they do not employ primarily clean vocals, which is extremely limiting for the style.
I mean we all like what we like, and if for you engineering perfection is your thing, then that's your thing.
But I still contend that's simply not possible/advisable for all styles of music.
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08 Feb 2016, 1:21 pm
thewrll wrote:
Outrider the artists who don't over produce an album are pandering to their audience. If you have a black metal album that is very clean black metal fans dislike it. It's called black metal for a reason. Black metal would lose many more fans than they would gain if they got rid of the rawness. So keep black metal raw. If you want to listen to some clean metal find other forms.
I probably wouldn't like, like over-produced ridiculous production but I quite enjoy black metal and I like the more raw stuff as well as stuff that is a bit more produced like Dimmu Borgir(though I know they started more raw). May main concern is if it becomes less atmospheric but I don't mind if a very raw black metal band eventually goes on to some better recording equipment and gets a bit cleaner sound for instance.
But it will sort of depend on the demographic, there are black metal fans who won't accept anything but the rawest of the raw black metal but that's hardly all fans of black metal.
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08 Feb 2016, 1:35 pm
Outrider wrote:
"Again I don't see why bands need to have better sound quality."
They don't. But maybe it would attract slightly more listeners if there was just a tad bit more that did, i.e. me and anyone who shares my want for good sound quality. If 75% of metal didn't but 25% did, that would be better than 90% not and 10% having it.
Sound quality is up to the musician, though metal bands that do choose to make both good sound quality and raw stuff just might have an advantage over one's that don't.
Apply this to any genre that doesn't care about sound quality, really.
I also like to listen to a lot of Ambient.
It is very unconventional so it doesn't always focus on sound quality at all but just the art/aesthetics of the music, but some good sound quality ambient definitely attracts me more than the muffled, poorer sounding stuff.
I can't make ambient myself because the standards I've set for myself - when I try and make it I just don't want my stuff to sound muffled or unclear or raw, I like it to sound clean and clearer...ambient is harder to do this than traditional music.
They don't. But maybe it would attract slightly more listeners if there was just a tad bit more that did, i.e. me and anyone who shares my want for good sound quality. If 75% of metal didn't but 25% did, that would be better than 90% not and 10% having it.
Sound quality is up to the musician, though metal bands that do choose to make both good sound quality and raw stuff just might have an advantage over one's that don't.
Apply this to any genre that doesn't care about sound quality, really.
I also like to listen to a lot of Ambient.
It is very unconventional so it doesn't always focus on sound quality at all but just the art/aesthetics of the music, but some good sound quality ambient definitely attracts me more than the muffled, poorer sounding stuff.
I can't make ambient myself because the standards I've set for myself - when I try and make it I just don't want my stuff to sound muffled or unclear or raw, I like it to sound clean and clearer...ambient is harder to do this than traditional music.
But metal isn't about being clear sounding or easy on the ears to bring in more and more people, I mean there's a whole subculture with it. There certainly are less harsh metal bands which could certainly bring more people in which there is nothing wrong with......but I mean it never was meant as music for 'everyone' or the masses. And 'quality sound' is in the ears of the beholder, plenty of what you find not to be quality sound could be quality sound to someone else.
Also though metal is probably one of the only genres I've heard heavily incorporate classical music aspects, which I like since I have aways liked some classical music...my main complaint being so much of it just sounds too joyful and upbeat for my taste so classical sounding stuff infused with metal is like the best of both worlds.
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08 Feb 2016, 2:13 pm
Oh, man. Metal is an interesting genre because of all the different subgenres and their loyalties. A roots approach to metal will cite Black Sabbath and the heavy psych blues from the late 60s like Blue Cheer. Black Sabbath, for me at least and many others too, really laid the foundation for heavy metal. Another era of importance is the New Wave of British Heavy Metal sound that really brought metal out of the hippie thing. Judas Priest and Saxon are some good examples. Personally, I enjoy a lot of the definitive extreme metal subgenres as well as the old groovy stuff. Some of my favorites are horribly blasphemous music like Hellhammer/Celtic Frost or the more progressive death metal of Death. The music follows the trajectory of history. The positivity of the late 60s gave way to the dystopia of the 70s and in the 80s metal really began to solidify with fantastic and violent themes but these themes are a result of history and the people making the music.
08 Feb 2016, 6:27 pm
oldforest wrote:
Oh, man. Metal is an interesting genre because of all the different subgenres and their loyalties. A roots approach to metal will cite Black Sabbath and the heavy psych blues from the late 60s like Blue Cheer. Black Sabbath, for me at least and many others too, really laid the foundation for heavy metal. Another era of importance is the New Wave of British Heavy Metal sound that really brought metal out of the hippie thing. Judas Priest and Saxon are some good examples. Personally, I enjoy a lot of the definitive extreme metal subgenres as well as the old groovy stuff. Some of my favorites are horribly blasphemous music like Hellhammer/Celtic Frost or the more progressive death metal of Death. The music follows the trajectory of history. The positivity of the late 60s gave way to the dystopia of the 70s and in the 80s metal really began to solidify with fantastic and violent themes but these themes are a result of history and the people making the music.
Metal history gets very interesting because of it's many subgenres and cross-style influences.
11 Feb 2016, 2:54 pm
zeertheseer wrote:
Ok, I realize I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this, but I want to get it out of the way. I wish to make this clear, I HATE metal and Screamo. Despise it, I don't like rap, opera gives me a headache, but metal is in my opinion the worst music to exist. Now allow me to explain. people say all the time that people hate metal because its all screamo and that they don't even listen to the lyrics. that's not why I hate metal. in fact, lyrics are pointless in a lot of songs to me, I love beat. my problem is with what the lyrics say, its true I have been forced to listen to a couple, and they have very deep lyrics. here is my problem, YOUR SCREAMING THEM AT ME. and a lot of lyrics I do hear are usually (not all the time but a lot) about being trapped somewhere, or feeling left out, or feeling sad, or just negative feelings in general. there are VERY few happy songs, and you being screamed at to either be happy or be told to be happy, hell if I told a happy story with no beat just screaming the entire time would you not get a headache? I would, of course they have beat, which annoys me even more. I like beats, beats are what I listen to, I love country beats, J-pop, Alternative. but I can't take the beats of metal its sadistic. now I am not saying metal is satans music, But I am saying that I Hate all screamo and metal.
Long story short?
The lyrics are deep but negative and make you feel sad making most people feel they can "relate"
the lyrics are almost all more or less SCREAMED, and those that aren't just sound either psychotic or sad
most of the music videos have these horrible things happening in them that are not at first apparant, things like singer waking up then realizing their in there own grave and try to scream to get out? I MEAN COME ON
Long story short?
The lyrics are deep but negative and make you feel sad making most people feel they can "relate"
the lyrics are almost all more or less SCREAMED, and those that aren't just sound either psychotic or sad
most of the music videos have these horrible things happening in them that are not at first apparant, things like singer waking up then realizing their in there own grave and try to scream to get out? I MEAN COME ON
So you base metal as the worse music genre because you believe it's negative? Clearly you haven't listened to the power metal sub-genre, which is mostly uplifting and not even the slightest bit negative. And don't try to compare it to screamo, that's just stupid generalisation. They're two completely different musical sub-genres, regardless of what the idiots in the media say.
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