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07 Mar 2010, 2:52 pm

I've always liked trying to find songs that would sound good/right if they were played at the same time.

Eg I've always thought the chorus of "You Raise Me Up" and the chorus of "Wind Beneath My Wings" would sound perfect sung/played at the same time. (But I err...wouldn't pay money to listen to it...!)

More recently I thought slowing down Jordin Sparks "Tattoo", putting it with Leona Lewis "My Hands" and making sure they're in the same key might work...

Of course there are a lot of pop songs with the same chords
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHBVnMf2t7w

Can anyone think of any different ones? Maybe more obscure songs.



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07 Mar 2010, 3:51 pm

Funny I was just thinking about that last night.

There is a certain Beatles song whose melody might go well on top of
a more recent song melody, with different lyrics, that I'd like to perform.

While the result would be unique, I think the music police would challenge it
if it crossed their mind to do so (IOW if it became famous enough, their
greed would awaken as soon as anyone noticed the combined melodies).



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07 Mar 2010, 4:43 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66NmjvLtss[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cra6AtNonKY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdOW4f1erM8[/youtube]


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07 Mar 2010, 4:45 pm

AJCoyne wrote:
I've always liked trying to find songs that would sound good/right if they were played at the same time.


Are you talking about creating medleys, playing two songs simultaneously, or segueing smoothly from one song into the next?



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07 Mar 2010, 5:41 pm

Willard wrote:
AJCoyne wrote:
I've always liked trying to find songs that would sound good/right if they were played at the same time.


Are you talking about creating medleys, playing two songs simultaneously, or segueing smoothly from one song into the next?
Playing two songs at the same time, or taking a melody/vocal from one track and putting it in a different song, a song where it would "fit".



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07 Mar 2010, 7:50 pm

This mixup of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and Oasis's "Wonderwall" is good.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES2NGj_fYjs[/youtube]



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07 Mar 2010, 7:58 pm

I come up with some good ideas for these occasionally too. Some of my favorite ideas for mixes were "Hammerhead" by The Offspring mixed with "Ace of Spades" by Motorhead and "The Distance" by Cake mixed with "Godzilla" by Blue Oyster Cult.


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07 Mar 2010, 8:07 pm

I'm a DJ so I know all about this crap. It's about matching up the beats and making sure that the tempos work together. Nothing sounds worse than a slightly off beat count because as the tracks that your mixing together continue to play, the beats start sounding more and more off and it's too late to fix them.



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07 Mar 2010, 8:24 pm

I knew someone who made an interesting observation. She said you could take any of the boy bands' songs (Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, et al), interchange any of the lyrics and music, and the song would still "work."

Having said that, here's one of my favorite mash-ups...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG2lTB-UVvs[/youtube]



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08 Mar 2010, 5:24 am

DarrylZero wrote:
I knew someone who made an interesting observation. She said you could take any of the boy bands' songs (Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, et al), interchange any of the lyrics and music, and the song would still "work."

Haha that's quite cool, I'll have to try imagining that sometime. I wish I had some sort of computer program for this stuff >.<



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08 Mar 2010, 10:16 am

Maybe not the complete songs but the intros of John Lennon's "Imagine" and Oasis' "Don't Look Back In Anger" mix. A pattern with Oasis, making them hypocrites when accusing Green Day of plagiarism. Noel even stole the riff from T-Rex's "Bang A Gong" to use in his "Cigarettes & Alcohol." Not that I'm trying to put them down, as I'm still a fan.

Also Nickelback's "Someday" and "How You Remind Me."

This morning at work I noticed a few similarities between several Five Finger Death Punch songs, though not the complete songs, but chord progressions withing the songs as well as riffs.


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08 Mar 2010, 9:59 pm

tikidweller wrote:
I'm a DJ so I know all about this crap. It's about matching up the beats and making sure that the tempos work together. Nothing sounds worse than a slightly off beat count because as the tracks that your mixing together continue to play, the beats start sounding more and more off and it's too late to fix them.

Not quite....

Besides getting beatmatched as a given, the largest part of what would allow Song-1 to sound good laid over the top of Song-2 is by matching the musical key in which the songs are written in. Sure, you can take any two songs with similar BPM's and match their ends together. That's easy. But I'm guessing the OP is talking about making a proper mash-up.

Although you don't quite need to know music theory to do it, as you can do it by ear, it helps to know the basics. And if you do know some theory - enough to determine a song's key - then you can know whether or not two will go together without even trying it out or hearing them.

Here's one rough way of determining whether Song-1 will be able to go together with Song-2. It's not 100%, but it's a pretty reliable 'quick & dirty' way of doing it....

Listen first and foremost to what notes the bassline is playing. If Song-1 keeps on coming back to(for example) the C for it's bassline, if it keeps 'resolving' on C, then that's probably the key the song is written in. If Song-B also keeps on wanting to 'resolve' to C, then you're almost there... Next the question is whether or not Song A and B are in C Major or C Minor. That's a bit tougher to figure out without theory. But, fortunately, Minor keys usually more common in pop music, so it's worth trying it out at that point.

In other words, if the basslines of both songs keep playing the same note, they theres a very good chance they're in the same key, and won't clash if you played them at the same time.

There's a little bit of wiggle room though, if you use a little bit more music theory:
Song-2 can still sound basically good with Song-1 if they're different by precisely a 5th interval. For example, if Song-1 is playing in the key of C, it would still sound good if song-2 were playing in the key of G or F, because G is a fifth UP from C, and F is a 5th DOWN from C.
As an identical example, if Song-1 were in the key of A, then it would sound good if Song-2 were in they key of either E(5 up from A), or D(5 down from A).

When you're dealing with hip hop vocals, things get a lot easier. Often times, hip hop vocals aren't tonal at all! They aren't 'sung' in any key, it's just random or chromatic. So it doesn't matter what music you put the vocal with! However, if there's music behind it, you'll have to listen to it's bassline like anything else. On the other hand, more club oriented hip hop vocals lately have been doing a lot of mono-tone vocals. Usually those vocals resolves on the same note over and over... just like a bassline. Thus they indicate what key they're in.

This is how mash-up artists like Girl Talk and Z-Trip do their thing. It's how I tend to mix my progressive house sets, if I've got enough songs in enough keys to support key-mixing.

If incorporate a little bit of basic music theory into the process, you don't have to do all the trial-and-error guesswork... You KNOW which ones' are going to be compatible in advance, and which ones will sound dissonant and awful.



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08 Mar 2010, 10:10 pm

Another pattern....
They key of A minor(aka C Major) is the easiest to play on a piano - It's all the white keys, and only the white keys. So you'll never hit a bum note if you just stay off the black notes. Due to that, A minor/C major is the most commonly occurring key in pop music.=
Therefore, anything in A minor/C major will be the easiest keys to find others that work with it.

And there's another layer of potential similarity - Chord progression. There's a couple really common, simple chord progressions in pop music. Some genres are built around specific chord progression tendencies. When you stumble across two tracks that not only are in the same key, but also have the same chord progression, they'll practically sound like the same song.

>Example



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09 Mar 2010, 12:50 am

I do this all the time, especially when I don't know the words. I once put 'Pretty fly for a white guy' lyrics onto Rancids ' Black coat, white shoes red hair, Cadillac'...or whatever it's called.


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09 Mar 2010, 2:29 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1YABGdai5k[/youtube]



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09 Mar 2010, 2:54 am

Dark Side of the Moon sync to The Wizard of Oz, I haven't been able to find unedited version on you tube in
awhile but I am sure there's a few copies floating around on the torrent sites, its one of the coolest things I
have seen
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBkEDpOhEHQ[/youtube]