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do you like Heavy metal music
Yes, 37%  37%  [ 104 ]
Yes, 42%  42%  [ 119 ]
no, 10%  10%  [ 28 ]
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29 Mar 2012, 2:33 pm

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Well according to most metalheads I've talked to and what I've read, metalcore never became a sub-genre of extreme metal....its seen as metalcore, not metal the only people who seem to promote the idea of it being a sub-genre of metal rather than a sub-genre created from a mix of metal influence and hardcore influence would be the mainstream media......who don't count.

But which of these bands calls themselves metal?...how are the core genres sub-genres of metal and not hardcore?

I mean just take deathcore for example.....it would not make sense for that to be a sub-genre of metal when we already have death metal, it makes more sense it would be called that due to being death metal influenced hardcore. I mean that would be like creating a genre called thrashcore and calling it metal when we already have thrash metal so it would make sense that a genre with thrash but core rather than metal would be more of a sub-genre of hardcore than metal.

Or is core not short for hardcore? if so what is it short for?


Metalcore is itself a subgenre of extreme metal, that's my point.

Which bands call themselves metal? All That Remains and Parkway Drive both, Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black, Assjack, Blind Witness, Born of Osiris, Divine Heresy, Five Finger Death Punch, Lamb Of God, Threat Signal, Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster... do you want me to keep going?

Core is tacked on because the origins of metalcore were indeed based heavily on hardcore. However, the music has evolved. There is a massive difference between early core like Earth Crisis and more modern core bands like Suicide SIlence and Lamb Of God.


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29 Mar 2012, 2:43 pm

abacacus wrote:
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Well according to most metalheads I've talked to and what I've read, metalcore never became a sub-genre of extreme metal....its seen as metalcore, not metal the only people who seem to promote the idea of it being a sub-genre of metal rather than a sub-genre created from a mix of metal influence and hardcore influence would be the mainstream media......who don't count.

But which of these bands calls themselves metal?...how are the core genres sub-genres of metal and not hardcore?

I mean just take deathcore for example.....it would not make sense for that to be a sub-genre of metal when we already have death metal, it makes more sense it would be called that due to being death metal influenced hardcore. I mean that would be like creating a genre called thrashcore and calling it metal when we already have thrash metal so it would make sense that a genre with thrash but core rather than metal would be more of a sub-genre of hardcore than metal.

Or is core not short for hardcore? if so what is it short for?


Metalcore is itself a subgenre of extreme metal, that's my point.

How so? if it where I imagine it would not have core at the end of it......that is not how metal is classified, the sub-genres of metal all end in metal...not only would it be confusing to lump all the core genres into metal but what is so insulting about them simply being considered sub-genres of hardcore? which I am of the opinion they are.


Which bands call themselves metal? All That Remains and Parkway Drive both, Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black, Assjack, Blind Witness, Born of Osiris, Divine Heresy, Five Finger Death Punch, Lamb Of God, Threat Signal, Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster... do you want me to keep going?

they call themselves metal specifically or metalcore? and I sure hope those bands don't consider themselves metal as I find that to be insulting towards metal...just as you apparently find not considering those bands metal to be insulting. hmm not sure either one of us are going to budge lol.

Core is tacked on because the origins of metalcore were indeed based heavily on hardcore. However, the music has evolved. There is a massive difference between early core like Earth Crisis and more modern core bands like Suicide SIlence and Lamb Of God.


Well metal has evolved a lot since the days of black sabbath.......there is a major difference between things like death metal and older metal. But no matter how far away the various metal genres move from their exact origins they are still metal. I would think it would be the same with hardcore......of course deathcore and metalcore are not going to sound much like the original hardcore, they are influenced by metal that is going to cause quite a bit of difference in sound.


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29 Mar 2012, 3:05 pm

This chat is getting too based on genre classifications...


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29 Mar 2012, 3:09 pm

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This chat is getting too based on genre classifications...


lol sorry, I can have this debate all day.......I imagine it looks horrifying to people who don't really care about classifications of music. :twisted:


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29 Mar 2012, 3:33 pm

Death metal isn't simply distortion and harsh vocals, Suicide Silence are not death metal; they are way to monotonous to be death metal or even deathcore.

This is death metal:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMrSKOJSl1c[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OsgvvmkqJg[/youtube]

Im tired of kiddies that think simply downtuning and screaming = death metal.



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29 Mar 2012, 6:17 pm

Gorod is good, though I find Process of a New Decline very unmemorable. I think Leading Vision was a great balance between structure and complexity, Process of a New Decline went overboard with the complexity. I haven't heard anything from their new cd yet, hopefully they have gotten better with that.

I've been listening to a lot of stuff like this lately:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O1YWHd4e_g[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyvN1BsVP44[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AQmMxROim8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT9vxYGqyWI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KfXmkiwHDA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n8ZRoTE0-c[/youtube]



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30 Mar 2012, 1:22 pm

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30 Mar 2012, 3:15 pm

abacacus wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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Well according to most metalheads I've talked to and what I've read, metalcore never became a sub-genre of extreme metal....its seen as metalcore, not metal the only people who seem to promote the idea of it being a sub-genre of metal rather than a sub-genre created from a mix of metal influence and hardcore influence would be the mainstream media......who don't count.

But which of these bands calls themselves metal?...how are the core genres sub-genres of metal and not hardcore?

I mean just take deathcore for example.....it would not make sense for that to be a sub-genre of metal when we already have death metal, it makes more sense it would be called that due to being death metal influenced hardcore. I mean that would be like creating a genre called thrashcore and calling it metal when we already have thrash metal so it would make sense that a genre with thrash but core rather than metal would be more of a sub-genre of hardcore than metal.

Or is core not short for hardcore? if so what is it short for?


Metalcore is itself a subgenre of extreme metal, that's my point.

Which bands call themselves metal? All That Remains and Parkway Drive both, Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black, Assjack, Blind Witness, Born of Osiris, Divine Heresy, Five Finger Death Punch, Lamb Of God, Threat Signal, Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster... do you want me to keep going?

Core is tacked on because the origins of metalcore were indeed based heavily on hardcore. However, the music has evolved. There is a massive difference between early core like Earth Crisis and more modern core bands like Suicide SIlence and Lamb Of God.


So Parkway Drive, As Blood Runs Black and Whitechapel are metal? Where's the denim and leather then? Or did i miss something? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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30 Mar 2012, 3:17 pm

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I'll be the first to say new metal is way better than old metal. The vocals are less shrieky and the lyrics are less about violence and have more range of heaviness and lyrical themes. The inclusion of singing as well as heavy vocals makes it way harder to do than most genres.



Disagree, there's no mentioning of violence in older metal at all. And at least metal in the 80's and 90's didn't have ret*d pig squeals *cough cough deathcore*


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30 Mar 2012, 4:06 pm

Every time I write lyrics for heavy metal music i get into trouble.



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30 Mar 2012, 4:51 pm

I mostly like older metal, but some of the newer stuff is cool too. ^^

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg[/youtube]



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30 Mar 2012, 6:23 pm

I love Opeth! Anyone here like Black Rose Immortal?


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31 Mar 2012, 8:09 am

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I love Opeth! Anyone here like Black Rose Immortal?


Black Rose Immortal is absolutely epic, but for me it will always be Demon of the Fall.


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31 Mar 2012, 9:29 am

I love metal, mainly Doom (Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram), and Heavy metal (Dio, Manilla Road, Iron Maiden).
Not too keen on black metal, but every style of metal has at least a couple bands I like.

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Parkway Drive and ATR are metal by their use of:
Screamed/growled vocals
High tempos
Blasts and double bass in their music
Distorted and often down tuned guitars

so, Black Sabbath aren't metal?



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31 Mar 2012, 1:55 pm

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I love metal, mainly Doom (Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram), and Heavy metal (Dio, Manilla Road, Iron Maiden).
Not too keen on black metal, but every style of metal has at least a couple bands I like.

abacacus wrote:
Parkway Drive and ATR are metal by their use of:
Screamed/growled vocals
High tempos
Blasts and double bass in their music
Distorted and often down tuned guitars

so, Black Sabbath aren't metal?


If you want downtuned guitars, go to a metalcore convention at your local Hot Topic.


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04 Apr 2012, 4:07 am

I LOVE heavy metal, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Drowning Pool etc.


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