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Which is the better opening line?
The world would end on a dark and stormy night in less than one year, but now the late August sun showered the campus with fraudulent hope. 50%  50%  [ 7 ]
He was the most innocent of youths and perversion followed in his wake. 50%  50%  [ 7 ]
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28 Feb 2010, 9:51 am

heatherbabes wrote:
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heatherbabes wrote:
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as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)


Actually, a story about a dark and stormy knight could be rather fascinating.


Well... dark and stormy guys are, by definition, fascinating and never boring... so yes.. yes that could work :)


And if the end of the world was set in Medieval times of high superstition and spooky demons and an insane monk who knew how to raise a special kind of hell...sounds interesting.


Yes, indeed, it does. So, when can I read THAT story? :)


I apologize for wandering a bit off topic, but I'm not a story writer, I'm a poet and an industrial designer and I won't play any more games with this site. Anybody else who likes the idea can have it.



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28 Feb 2010, 9:52 am

** pout ** I certainly didn't mind the games but you're right. I shouldn't have gone off topic. Apologies to others.



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28 Feb 2010, 4:59 pm

The inclusion of dark and stormy night is meant to be satirical. It's humorous because it's referencing an overused cliche, but that's not how the story begins at all; it's how it ends, and in fact the night being both dark and stormy for the final chapter is actually very important to how it plays out. Naturally, the details are unknown until the last chapter is read.

However, I'm concerned that with the subtle and offbeat and possibly invisible humor, the reader will be expected me to keep making little metajokes and such throughout the novel, and that's not my writing style. So that could be a bad idea.



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28 Feb 2010, 5:02 pm

I like the first one better because it's more enticing for the reader. Although "dark and stormy night" is pretty cliche, the line will otherwise be effective in drawing the reader into the story.



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01 Mar 2010, 1:35 am

I have to admit, I'm not nuts about either of them. I would prefer the second if only because of the problem pointed out already with the first. I think you're spot on in suggesting that if you start the novel with a satirical little nod to the reader, they'll expect the entire novel to remain in keeping with that standard. That would be precisely what they'd expect. Readers will be looking at that first page to help them decide whether to keep reading. You don't want to mislead them from the outset, unless that's the novel's purpose.

If you can't decide between two starting lines, then maybe neither is taking you where you want to go. Nothing says you can't play around and come up with more options.


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02 Mar 2010, 12:21 am

chaotik_lord wrote:
The inclusion of dark and stormy night is meant to be satirical. It's humorous because it's referencing an overused cliche, but that's not how the story begins at all; it's how it ends, and in fact the night being both dark and stormy for the final chapter is actually very important to how it plays out. Naturally, the details are unknown until the last chapter is read.

However, I'm concerned that with the subtle and offbeat and possibly invisible humor, the reader will be expected me to keep making little metajokes and such throughout the novel, and that's not my writing style. So that could be a bad idea.


Ah-- well, context can make all the difference. In the right context, even a normally clicheed or boring line can become brilliant and unexpected. (I think one of my favorite final lines in a story is "Well, I'm back.")

So definitely go with your overall plan for the story; you know more about it than I do. I was just posting my initial reaction based on that one sentence.



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02 Mar 2010, 11:26 am

I went with the second; it's simple, a little less cluttered, and gives the reader something to anticipate. If you know the world's going to end in a year, then that's half the story already told...remember the old show-biz adage.

always leave 'em wanting more....


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02 Mar 2010, 11:34 am

Wow. Now it's a tie.



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06 Mar 2010, 2:37 am

I apologize for splitting hairs, so to speak, but grammatically the second line requires a comma. It should read:

"He was the most innocent of youths, and perversion followed in his wake."

As: "He was the most innocent of youths"
and:
"perversion followed in his wake"
are both independent clauses.

As you are the writer, you can ignore grammar, and sometimes this rule is ignored (often in journalism).

However some readers will notice it, and at the least would expect you to be consistent (unless you did this intentionally for some reason). At the very least, an editor should realize the error.

Hope this helps, and I do not intend to be rude; I am simply trying to be helpful.

--David



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06 Mar 2010, 10:46 am

David,

I have such a hard time myself with knowing where commas do or don't go. The "rule" given to me by an English teacher doesn't seem to always apply (whereever you pause to take a breath), and so always appreciate advice like that. :)