Problems with Fiction Writing for people with ASDs
I remember reading that story several years ago, maybe even nearly a decade ago.
Reminds me a bit of the book by Paul Auster, ""Timbuktu" -- the story of a dying homeless man, as told by his dog.
I like your insights about writing from the fringes. It makes a lot of sense to me.
Thank you!

Today was thinking how my view/perspective, actual perception and experience of life is like that of a leaf on a stream, with a fish eye lens! Swept along, almost unable to "act" on anything for more than a few moments here and there, and so any character whose POV I write from, in whose story I invest, etc will have to be like that, see other people and events from that place.
Thanks for the book ref.

And big thanks to the OP, nissa_amas_katoj, aswell, for your comment about "writing from POV of freak, orphan/outcast" etc.



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When I write Fictonal Works my stories are always complex and unique. I find I elaborate too much and that I am continually boring my audience. Also, my writing style is too old fashioned and this gives the impression that the story is set in the Victorian Ages when in fact it it set in the Future. However, the latter method worked effectively for the Larklight series.
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Elaborating 'too much' is not a problem since you can always cut a certain percent out during the re-write, which will tighten it up and make the whole thing better. As for boring the audience? maybe you need a new audience.
I can't write short stories or novels (in the sense of finishing them), but I used to write a lot of weird poetry and in the past few days have been going through my old poems and a few new ones to compile a poetry book which I will publish through Lulu.com (which is free--- you have to buy the books yourself, but there is no subsidy-publishing fee.)
Working on putting that book together gave me the idea of using Lulu.com to put out a periodical in book form--- I also used to edit a very small self-published periodical. Anyway having somewhere to get published might motivate me to finish some of my own writing....
I thought of maybe doing a science fiction and fantasy periodical with emphasis on faith-related sf and fantasy (Christian, Jewish, neopagan...) since I know some Christian sf and fantasy writers (well, I sort of know them in an internetty sort of way....)
I also thought I might do a poetry periodical of the weird sort of poetry I write (I'm going through a 'babelfish poetry' period right now....)
Or I thought I might do one of writings of people with Asperger Syndrome and/or autism spectrum disorders, or broaden it to include writers with ADHD, Down Syndrome, or other disabilities....
Or, better yet, sort of merge the three possibilities into something that may cause the universe to melt in places. Whatever it is, I think I'll call it 'perseverations', and will probably be working out the details on my blog at http://linalamont.blogspot.com
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For example, instead of writing something like the coldness wrapped itself around her as she shed a tear. She quivered and thought longingly of being with her best friend. The friend who shared her thoughts. The friend who was now gone, like a speckle of dust, I would just write something like she stood in the freezing cold, and almost cried. She was shivering, and thought about her best friend who she had lost.
The second one is better. But, it should be "whom she had lost."
i have this sort of problem. i have mad bursts of great ideas and then have a hard time following through if i don't do it immediately.
also i never remember much of anything i've written, which comes in handy when it comes time to edit (because i can read things as a somewhat objective audience) but makes it difficult to construct anything of any length.
i also have problems with structure. i always want to write little detailed scenes and don't know how to tie them together to make an overall story. .. .. .. ..
.. and i have difficulty with characters who are emotive, generally. but i love to write, and i'm good at it, and i persist.
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i have this sort of problem. i have mad bursts of great ideas and then have a hard time following through if i don't do it immediately.
also i never remember much of anything i've written, which comes in handy when it comes time to edit (because i can read things as a somewhat objective audience) but makes it difficult to construct anything of any length.
i also have problems with structure. i always want to write little detailed scenes and don't know how to tie them together to make an overall story. .. .. .. ..
.. and i have difficulty with characters who are emotive, generally. but i love to write, and i'm good at it, and i persist.
Thats basically how I am. If I do anything of length its in chunks. So if I do write something of length I am constantly reading everything I have written previously before I continue onwards.
As for emotive characters, I have no issues at all. For some quick examples from my BIG project, they will be quoted. Yes I know, I do use profanity, but it does fit the gritty, dystopian setting IMO. Also Yeah I know It may alienate reader a bit or alot, but I don't really like having a clear cut "good vs evil" plot. Its more or less grey on grey morality, with some individuals leaning into the black/most definitely crossing the moral event horizon. Yeah, I know, George R R Martin IS a MAJOR influence for me.
Karin made her way up the stairs and looked around. The floor was transparent in this area, exposing the entry-hall beneath. Yet more art was on display, and halls shot off to the left and right. A few chairs and a large couch were arranged around a holo-display, and on the opposite side of it was an area set aside as a dining and cooking area. At the end of the room was a desk surrounded by bookcases and monitors. Milliardo sitting in the chair, his hands clasped as he looked at Karin at the opposite end of the hall.
"You are gone to die for what you have done Milliardo!" Karin yelled as she walked towards him. "You are nothing but a monster!"
"So.... you interrupt my game of solitaire just so say that, and then what? Are you going to kill me?" Milliardo responded, a look of amusement crossing his face. "You really should think about what you are doing."
"This isn't a f***ing game! Everything you are doing is just wrong!", Karin yelled, and stood at the desk, the pistol aimed squarely at Milliardo's face.
"Well, I am shaking in my boots, aren't I?" Milliardo said with a laugh. "You have absolutely no Ide..."
Karin fired the pistol, striking Milliardo in the face. Where is head was there was just a mass of destroyed circuitry. "sh**!" Karin yelled as she made her was pack down to the elevator door. She kept on hitting the button, but nothing happened. "Piece of sh** work!" she yelled, pounding the control panel even harder. She then noticed that her vision was blurring and that she felt weak and drowsy. She looked about and noticed a fog coming from the vents, then immediately passed out.
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Her vision returned as she found herself in front of the desk again. The robot was still in the chair where she left it, but then she heard footsteps behind her. A feeling of dread, of fear crept through her and she tried to turn around and stand up. She let out a scream as she found that she was tied to the seat she was in.
"Now now, be quiet..." a voice sounded from behind Karin. "You tried to kill me a multitude of times. I really should just kill you right here and now, don't you think?"
"Milliardo, stop this! You know it is wrong, you have got to know it is!" Karin yelled as she struggled against the bindings.
"Shh.... everything will be alright..." Milliardo said in a calm voice. He reached out and brushed his hand against Karin's cheek. Well, lets just say I am not interested in shedding blood, you have no idea how much it costs to remove it from these suits. My favorite color is white you know."
A tear tolled down Karin's face as she tried to hold them back. "Why are you doing this?! The naturals haven't done anything!"
Milliardo stopped in front of her and stooped down to face level. "You really have no idea. Everyone still remembers the attacks your kind have waged on us in the past as well as the present war."
"We are fighting for our freedom and right damn it! You f***ing Modifieds decided to treat us like animals, and ya know what? You deserve the casualties!" Karin yelled, then spit in Milliardo's face.
Milliardo stood up and pulled out a handkerchief from a pocket and wiped off his face. He then backhanded Karin, causing pain to shoot through her face. "And here I was hoping this would be a peaceful discussion." He backhanded her yet again and a third time then stopped. Karin was crying in pain now and Milliardo walked towards the window. "Look at it all. We have given them peace and good health, but you and your friends have robbed them of that. Regardless however, everything has gone according to plan. You, The Children of Gaia, and Transcendent won't get in my way."
Who is Transcendent?" Karin asked, holding back a cry a pain.
"Just another group that has been a thorn in my side. They haven't done anything yet, and In my opinion they are who you all should really be worrying about. As for my own motives, starting a war is sometimes the only way to get two sides to reconcile and unite against an even greater threat. Your trying to kill me has gotten in the way of that. Milliardo then grabbed a pistol off of the desk, aimed it squarely at Karin's left temple, and fired.
yet another example from the same character, but from earlier in the story
“H..help me... I... have.... family, friends...” The soldier moaned, reaching out towards Karin.
“Help? Why should I?”
“I... am... a human... j..just like you....”
“You are just a f*****g murderer. What makes you think your human?”
“ I...I didn't shoot them... I threw d...down my weapon out o..of refusal to do it...” fear started to saturate the soldier's voice as Karin lowered her pistol and set it barrel first against the visor. “D..Don't kill m..me!”
“I don't believe you.” Karin pulled the handgun away, a hole now in the visor, the soldier now lying on the ground, lifeless. “You are all the same, you f*****g dogs.”
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i like this.
my favorite part:

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I sometimes have trouble writing fiction because I can have so many ideas, that I can't concentrate. I would try to write one story, and then this idea would get really off track, which sort of bothers me, as I can't really stick to the plot well enough. I'm also a perfectionist, and I think my writing is terrible. I'm not good at creating real characters, either. They're either hyperactive nekos or overly-serious, cynical characters.
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i like this.
my favorite part:

I so imagine him saying that though, can't exactly pin down the voice down, but I tend to think both disappointed and mocking at the same time
If I was writing it as a screenplay, I would have no idea who to cast as them based purely on personality of characters they have portrayed. Always thought of Milliardo as similar to the joker if he were placed in a position of political power and had long platinum blonde/grey hair. As for Karin, I dunno, considering she is a slight-of figure redheaded tomboy.
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i've attempted screenplays before. i'm not especially good at it (mostly the structure) but i do know a lot about writing them. if you did write it as a screenplay and sold it you would have virtually no say in who was cast anyway, unless you were a big name producer. what you do is write a very concise description of your character and hope the casting director understands the character well enough by reading the script that you get what you intended.
if you want to talk about script writing you can PM me.
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i've attempted screenplays before. i'm not especially good at it (mostly the structure) but i do know a lot about writing them. if you did write it as a screenplay and sold it you would have virtually no say in who was cast anyway, unless you were a big name producer. what you do is write a very concise description of your character and hope the casting director understands the character well enough by reading the script that you get what you intended.
if you want to talk about script writing you can PM me.
well, its just gonna be staying as a novel/series of. I just like entertaining the thought of what if scenarios. But yeah Ill have to talk to ya bout it sometime, always nice to learn yet another aspect of the writing 'industry'.
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I have the following problems:
1) I suck at finishing stories. One moment a cool idea for a story pops up in my head and I start writing it, but after a few days my enthusiasm dies and I abandon the project. However, I don't know if that has anything to do with my AS or simply a lack of self-discipline.
2) I am obsessed with a limited number of subjects. The consequence of this is that all my stories have similar subject matter. I know that I will be regarded as a one-trick pony if I keep doing this, but I can't force myself to commit to writing about anything that doesn't somehow feature my pet interests.
3) I have difficulty creating a variety of compelling characters. It seems that all the heroes I can imagine are ass-kicking warriors with short tempers and few other flaws. On occasions when I feel like writing about anti-heroes for a change, they end up being so evil that readers can't sympathize with them.
4) I know this is a common one, but I can't make up a decent plot for s**t. All the plots I can come up with are either "hero goes on long quest fraught with danger" or "hero fights in war", both of which are very cliched. These plots also tend to be very simplistic and quickly resolved, so I've never written a novel-length story.
I come up with a lot of story lines that never get written because writing the story would require knowledge I don't have. So I start researching the things I need to know to write the story and get caught up in and captivated by the research. The topic becomes a new special interest and I drain it dry and then I'm done with it and don't want to write the story any more because I'm tired of the topic.
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