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16 May 2011, 3:06 am

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Silencer is a bit extreme, especially if you know the story behind their vocalist. 8O

If you're referring to the rumour that he cut off his hands and had them surgically replaced with goat hooves, it's false. :wink:

Though he was admitted to a mental asylum.



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16 May 2011, 3:38 am

I forgot who was supposed to be the most disturbed band of all time not including nazi bands. They were featured in Metal A Headbangers Journey. They were said to have made necklaces out of bones from the band member who shot himself.



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16 May 2011, 4:13 am

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I forgot who was supposed to be the most disturbed band of all time not including nazi bands. They were featured in Metal A Headbangers Journey. They were said to have made necklaces out of bones from the band member who shot himself.

Mayhem.

Dead was the member who shot himself. There is a photo of it, google "Dawn of the Black Hearts".



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16 May 2011, 5:38 am

Burzum wrote:
886 wrote:
Silencer is a bit extreme, especially if you know the story behind their vocalist. 8O

If you're referring to the rumour that he cut off his hands and had them surgically replaced with goat hooves, it's false. :wink:

Though he was admitted to a mental asylum.


Well, I've heard about him slicing his hands, not the goat hooves deal. And of course the mental asylum.


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16 May 2011, 5:34 pm

If you want to listen regularly to some incredible metal check out death.fm.



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18 May 2011, 3:28 pm

I listen to lots of bm but a good portion of this stuff comes off as too gimmicky for my liking really (case and point being Silencer)
I think some of the most devastating material out there is Bethlehem’s first 3 albums, however, though the themes are about depression/suicide etc. the sound has a more doom-ish edge and not usually what people classify as the “depressive” sound.
Another good example of this is Dolorian, particularly their debut “When All the Laughter Has Gone”.

As far as bands that regularly fall under this label I’m a fan of I Shalt Become, Weakling, Mutiilation, Abyssic Hate, some Leviathan,and Xasthur, though most of his works are a bit too similar.

Bands that have the “depressive” style but don’t really have lyrics about suicide – the pioneers Strid, Burzum and Forgotten Woods and the frist two Drudkh albums are all great. I suppose some Moonblood might qualify as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb2h-5BYCfY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVRBGJWW_8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcQ7jF4yXqU[/youtube]



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21 May 2011, 6:50 pm

This, though it's more like psychedelic depressive black metal.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns0rKo-Te6I[/youtube]



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22 May 2011, 5:49 pm

Aaaah yes. This and epic/funeral doom metal.
Have you ever heard of Abyssmal Sorrow from Australia? They pretty much combine the two styles.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYUmcrCgmmo[/youtube]


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24 May 2011, 6:58 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efqsW2yZ1Jw&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TMcXwJKmuI[/youtube]


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25 May 2011, 9:25 am

There was a band called Worship... Can't find a lot of info about it, they released a demo called "Last Tape Before Doomsday", subsequently released on vinyl and CD, renamed respectively. Hard to find, just google the album title. That's about as depressing as I know of



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31 May 2011, 7:19 pm

Combichrist is a good band. Especially their album, "What The F**k Is Wrong With You People?".



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31 May 2011, 10:44 pm

^^ The name sort of rings a bell, I didn't think they were black metal though.



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01 Jun 2011, 12:38 am

Personally, whilst I do, indeed, love the darker shades of music, and a fair share of black metal, I don't feel much with DSBM. To me, I can't help but see the name of the genre as merely a moniker or a marketing ploy, which, given the inherently "underground" nature of black metal, is repulsive to me.

If anything, it feels as though the bands would label themselves as Depressive Suicidal in order to appeal to a niche group of people because they feel their work isn't sufficiently good enough to get anywhere just under the label of black metal.

No, I'm not trying to insult you all; I'd merely like you to consider particularly how this subgenre differs from black metal as a whole. By differ, I mean in the musical sense, not the lyrical or thematic one.


Oh, and to anyone who listens to black metal and looks up to the crazy things the band members do (Dead's cutting self during shows and his suicide), you really need to rethink what the genre means to you. These things are either gimmicks...or they're things severely schizophrenic people (like Dead) do.

With the former...well, you should be able to rationally ignore and be above such things.

In the case of the latter, ask any schizophrenic person who is aware of their state if they like being disconnected to reality the way they are and I guarantee you they won't answer in the affirmative. Black metal is not about the silly s**t these people have done which no sane person would do; it's about the music, first and foremost. Had I been aware of black metal in the way I am not when Dead died, I'd have mourned him, much the way I'd have mourned Quorthon. It's not the crap they pulled on stage or in their otherwise-personal lives that matters, it's the sheer genius of their music.

Anyway, I'm feeling inspired enough to have another listen of good ol' Blood Fire Death.



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01 Jun 2011, 3:08 am

This is just about metal but why does it seem like metal heads dislike Cradle Of Filth?



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01 Jun 2011, 6:38 am

Aerith wrote:
Personally, whilst I do, indeed, love the darker shades of music, and a fair share of black metal, I don't feel much with DSBM. To me, I can't help but see the name of the genre as merely a moniker or a marketing ploy, which, given the inherently "underground" nature of black metal, is repulsive to me.

If anything, it feels as though the bands would label themselves as Depressive Suicidal in order to appeal to a niche group of people because they feel their work isn't sufficiently good enough to get anywhere just under the label of black metal.

No, I'm not trying to insult you all; I'd merely like you to consider particularly how this subgenre differs from black metal as a whole. By differ, I mean in the musical sense, not the lyrical or thematic one.


Oh, and to anyone who listens to black metal and looks up to the crazy things the band members do (Dead's cutting self during shows and his suicide), you really need to rethink what the genre means to you. These things are either gimmicks...or they're things severely schizophrenic people (like Dead) do.

With the former...well, you should be able to rationally ignore and be above such things.

In the case of the latter, ask any schizophrenic person who is aware of their state if they like being disconnected to reality the way they are and I guarantee you they won't answer in the affirmative. Black metal is not about the silly sh** these people have done which no sane person would do; it's about the music, first and foremost. Had I been aware of black metal in the way I am not when Dead died, I'd have mourned him, much the way I'd have mourned Quorthon. It's not the crap they pulled on stage or in their otherwise-personal lives that matters, it's the sheer genius of their music.


I actually agree with much of this. Black metal shouldn’t be big because of some dubious background story but unfortunately often is.

Though probably more noise than bm, I remember a few years back when everyone I was talking to on messenger would talk about how “terrifying” Stalaggh were for having the most messed up, crazy mental patients on vocals. There would be little mention of the music itself.

Or, as already mentioned in this thread, Silencer gaining notoriety, partly at least, due to the myth that the vocalist was a mental patient who cut off his own arms. It also couldn’t hurt to mention several manufacturers of psychiatric medications in the “thank you” notes of the album.

Perhaps the very best example is how hardly anyone cared about Velvet Cacoon after the backstory of their “dieselharp”, members being part of ELF etc. was totally blown apart.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t like these artists if they actually enjoy the music (I myself like a few dsbm bands as well as Velvet Cacoon), just that it’s a shame that people aren’t more weary of some of these stories, the purpose they serve for the artist and the notoriety this as opposed to the music alone brings them.


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Anyway, I'm feeling inspired enough to have another listen of good ol' Blood Fire Death.


Amen.



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01 Jun 2011, 7:08 am

Aerith wrote:
Personally, whilst I do, indeed, love the darker shades of music, and a fair share of black metal, I don't feel much with DSBM. To me, I can't help but see the name of the genre as merely a moniker or a marketing ploy, which, given the inherently "underground" nature of black metal, is repulsive to me.

The term "Depressive Suicidal Black Metal" was adopted by fans of the bands that fit the subgenre, not by the bands themselves. Due to this I don't see how it can be considered a marketing ploy.

In fact this is why bands like Burzum have been labelled DSBM, because it's about the music and not the label. This song can quite easily be considered DSBM:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nkgUy-9OKI[/youtube]

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like you to consider particularly how this subgenre differs from black metal as a whole. By differ, I mean in the musical sense, not the lyrical or thematic one.

Have you listened to any of the songs? The music is vastly different to generic black metal. It creates a depressing atmosphere.

Listen to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCHwsp9bSc[/youtube]

And then this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irCPHOwck_w[/youtube]


Can you honestly not tell the difference between the musical styles?


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Oh, and to anyone who listens to black metal and looks up to the crazy things the band members do (Dead's cutting self during shows and his suicide), you really need to rethink what the genre means to you. These things are either gimmicks...or they're things severely schizophrenic people (like Dead) do.

The first black metal band I started listening to was Horna. I never discovered the genre because of the 'gimmicks'. I listen to Burzum because I like the music and I agree with most of the views expressed in the music and by Varg himself. That he killed Euronymous is inconsequential to me.

I don't listen to Mayhem very often, either.