Why do NTs typically listen to really mindless, happy music?

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07 Dec 2012, 4:48 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
Because they save their intellectual w*king for when they're not listening to music? :P


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Genius. This is the answer OP is looking for.

Generally we have a deeper understanding, thus need/want deeper music.



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07 Dec 2012, 7:07 am

I think that there's an implied thing with this thread, ie. implied that people who like darker stuff can appreciate at least some lighter stuff. The conversation is regarding why some have an allergy to deep/dark/pensive on unexamined knee-jerk reflex no matter what.



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07 Dec 2012, 11:55 am

Because they don't actually like music for the music. There are Pop fans who like it for the musicality, but those are fans of the actual genres, not just commercial BS, most Pop fans aren't really into music.


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07 Dec 2012, 6:02 pm

I listen to happy music. In fact, it's mostly too happy for NTs. I run into quite the opposite problem. I probably come off serious, am a dude, etc, so people expect I should listen to, I dunno, Atreyu (I actually do listen to Atreyu once in a blue moon,) all the time. But most of what I listen to is like, girly pop music of various kinds. I've expanded my tastes a bit, and now I like non-electronic pop music (ala Michelle Branch and Vanessa Carlton) too, but for a LONG while, I pretty much listened to electronic pop music (eurodance, eurobeat, happy hardcore, some vocal trance, Italodisco) nonstop.

I'd listen to stuff like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjowfH_LH4[/youtube]
And people just thought I was the strangest person ever. I almost think the "NTs" spend too much time listening to depressing crap, really. I'd be like "WHY DON'T THEY LIKE SONGS LIKE THIS, WHAT'S THEIR PROBLEM!" So I guess I have the exact opposite "problem" you're describing with me and music. I dunno, people would get in my car and be quite "wtf" at me and my Japanese pop or eurobeat playing.

I used to like "harder" music when I was younger, more rock, metal, and rap, but I kinda outgrew it. I think my perspective changed somewhat, too, once I became more serious about my religion, I just no longer had the desire to hear "hard" music much, if that makes sense. I realized life is hard, and I don't wanna be reminded about the hardness of it when I listen to music. So music serves as a nice distraction to transport me somewhere better. Maybe that's why I like foreign music, too, it transports me somewhere else.

But yeah, I've got almost the opposite problem. Especially in America, people here have some weird pretentiousness about music I don't get. It's why disco got killed here. People, instead of just taking it for what it was, just fun music, got all mad about it not being "real" or whatever, and there was a concerted effort to kill it. Whereas disco lived another decade easily in Europe (and led to eurodisco/italodisco, one of my favorite genres.) Like we saw this again in the 90s. Eurodance got popular here, then it stopped being popular for some reason. The rest of the world was happy with nice happy fun music, but America was all like "rawr it needs to be harder/more real/more masculine" or whatever. For example, no American pop outfits lately have come out with songs like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoslE0beBuk[/youtube]

I feel America tries too hard in it's popular music to like, make it something other than "pop" if that makes sense. That song in America would be like "DUDE YOU'RE GAY, WHY YOU LISTENING TO THAT, THAT'S GAY!" It's absurd. Then it seems like all pop music here gets very explicit sexually, so I guess people can like...not be gay? "YEAH THE CHICK IS SINGING ABOUT BONING A DUDE, YEAH! THIS MUSIC IS TOTALLY NOT GAY!" So I don't like much (I do like a little) American pop music for that reason, in that it's like, trying to be more than pop music, yet fails.

I dunno, I'm just sorta rambling. Either way, opposite problem you're describing.



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08 Dec 2012, 8:06 am

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I listen to happy music. In fact, it's mostly too happy for NTs. I run into quite the opposite problem. I probably come off serious, am a dude, etc, so people expect I should listen to, I dunno, Atreyu (I actually do listen to Atreyu once in a blue moon,) all the time. But most of what I listen to is like, girly pop music of various kinds. I've expanded my tastes a bit, and now I like non-electronic pop music (ala Michelle Branch and Vanessa Carlton) too, but for a LONG while, I pretty much listened to electronic pop music (eurodance, eurobeat, happy hardcore, some vocal trance, Italodisco) nonstop.

I'd listen to stuff like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjowfH_LH4[/youtube]
And people just thought I was the strangest person ever. I almost think the "NTs" spend too much time listening to depressing crap, really. I'd be like "WHY DON'T THEY LIKE SONGS LIKE THIS, WHAT'S THEIR PROBLEM!" So I guess I have the exact opposite "problem" you're describing with me and music. I dunno, people would get in my car and be quite "wtf" at me and my Japanese pop or eurobeat playing.

I used to like "harder" music when I was younger, more rock, metal, and rap, but I kinda outgrew it. I think my perspective changed somewhat, too, once I became more serious about my religion, I just no longer had the desire to hear "hard" music much, if that makes sense. I realized life is hard, and I don't wanna be reminded about the hardness of it when I listen to music. So music serves as a nice distraction to transport me somewhere better. Maybe that's why I like foreign music, too, it transports me somewhere else.

But yeah, I've got almost the opposite problem. Especially in America, people here have some weird pretentiousness about music I don't get. It's why disco got killed here. People, instead of just taking it for what it was, just fun music, got all mad about it not being "real" or whatever, and there was a concerted effort to kill it. Whereas disco lived another decade easily in Europe (and led to eurodisco/italodisco, one of my favorite genres.) Like we saw this again in the 90s. Eurodance got popular here, then it stopped being popular for some reason. The rest of the world was happy with nice happy fun music, but America was all like "rawr it needs to be harder/more real/more masculine" or whatever. For example, no American pop outfits lately have come out with songs like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoslE0beBuk[/youtube]

I feel America tries too hard in it's popular music to like, make it something other than "pop" if that makes sense. That song in America would be like "DUDE YOU'RE GAY, WHY YOU LISTENING TO THAT, THAT'S GAY!" It's absurd. Then it seems like all pop music here gets very explicit sexually, so I guess people can like...not be gay? "YEAH THE CHICK IS SINGING ABOUT BONING A DUDE, YEAH! THIS MUSIC IS TOTALLY NOT GAY!" So I don't like much (I do like a little) American pop music for that reason, in that it's like, trying to be more than pop music, yet fails.

I dunno, I'm just sorta rambling. Either way, opposite problem you're describing.


That's because "NTs" don't listen to happy music or dark music, just mindless music, whose themes are restricted to breaking up and partying,


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08 Dec 2012, 8:19 am

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That's because "NTs" don't listen to happy music or dark music, just mindless music, whose themes are restricted to breaking up and partying,


Don't forget sex! :D


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08 Dec 2012, 9:25 am

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I know it sounds like I'm stereotyping, but if you think about it, the majority of people are NT and all pop music is really repetitive, mindless, shallow, and cheery. While most of the aspies I know and myself listen to deeper, darker music. Does anyone have an idea why this is?


Can you list some names of artists and songs of said "happy music" and some of the "deeper and darker" music you listen to?

A lot of people loved Adele and that Gotye song. Are they considered happy music?



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08 Dec 2012, 10:32 am

i do not subscribe to the idea that NT's are inferior with their taste in music.

this is my favorite song, and it is by billy joel who is classified as "pop/rock". i like genuinely brilliant music and lyrics, and i am not influenced by fashion. this is a song that required him to exist for it to be written.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3GtAnO66o[/youtube]
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08 Dec 2012, 10:44 am

Ganondox wrote:
Because they don't actually like music for the music. There are Pop fans who like it for the musicality, but those are fans of the actual genres, not just commercial BS, most Pop fans aren't really into music.

This. Most people just listen to "that thing you're supposed to be listening to at the moment".



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09 Dec 2012, 5:41 pm

PsychoticHipster wrote:
I know it sounds like I'm stereotyping, but if you think about it, the majority of people are NT and all pop music is really repetitive, mindless, shallow, and cheery. While most of the aspies I know and myself listen to deeper, darker music. Does anyone have an idea why this is?


You have fallen victim to some very bad logic.

If most of the fans of happy pop are NT does it then follow that most NTs are fans of happy pop? No. It does not. All you have actually observed is that most people are NT and will therefore make up the majority of the fanbase of any given genre (yes, even "nerdy" things). As another poster pointed out, if you go to a concert of gloomy and dark metal, the fans will STILL be mostly NT. Because most people are NT. It's simple statistics.

You have also mistaken happy pop for the majority of music. It may be ubiquitous in your personal enviroment: playing on the radio stations and in stores in your area, being discussed by people in your age group whose conversations you are aware of, but that does not make it the whole of music. It is not the one thing that most people listen to. There is no "one thing" that most people listen to anymore. There may have been at one time but that time is over. Now the world of recorded music is so giganctic and fragmented that the genre you percieve everybody else as listening to is just one niche market among many.



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09 Dec 2012, 8:17 pm

Blah, I'm disappointed with the constant talk of the NT/aspie dichotomy.


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09 Dec 2012, 8:44 pm

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Who_Am_I wrote:
Because they save their intellectual w*king for when they're not listening to music? :P


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Genius. This is the answer OP is looking for.

Generally we have a deeper understanding, thus need/want deeper music.[/quote]

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You're doing it right. :P


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09 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

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Because they save their intellectual w*king for when they're not listening to music? :P


Or playing video games or reading or well you get the picture.......


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10 Dec 2012, 3:42 am

Because record companies etc. keep thinking people are stupid and want something unchallenging. I disagree, I think the mainstream should expend its boundaries, instead of people telling off or looking down at people for listening to music in the mainstream.


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10 Dec 2012, 4:40 am

Janissy wrote:
PsychoticHipster wrote:
I know it sounds like I'm stereotyping, but if you think about it, the majority of people are NT and all pop music is really repetitive, mindless, shallow, and cheery. While most of the aspies I know and myself listen to deeper, darker music. Does anyone have an idea why this is?


You have fallen victim to some very bad logic.

If most of the fans of happy pop are NT does it then follow that most NTs are fans of happy pop? No. It does not. All you have actually observed is that most people are NT and will therefore make up the majority of the fanbase of any given genre (yes, even "nerdy" things). As another poster pointed out, if you go to a concert of gloomy and dark metal, the fans will STILL be mostly NT. Because most people are NT. It's simple statistics.

You have also mistaken happy pop for the majority of music. It may be ubiquitous in your personal enviroment: playing on the radio stations and in stores in your area, being discussed by people in your age group whose conversations you are aware of, but that does not make it the whole of music. It is not the one thing that most people listen to. There is no "one thing" that most people listen to anymore. There may have been at one time but that time is over. Now the world of recorded music is so giganctic and fragmented that the genre you percieve everybody else as listening to is just one niche market among many.


Actually, you fell to very bad logic. The fact of the matter is even if for the general population the majority is one thing doesn't mean that for a subset of the population that the majority is the same. For example, the majority of the US is white, but at the school I went to being white is a small minority. His logic is actually sounder than yours, if the majority of something has a certain property than it follows that at least some of the majority must overlap with that, so thus there must be NTs that listen to Happy Pop, assuming that Happy Pop is the majority of music.


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10 Dec 2012, 7:06 am

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Because record companies etc. keep thinking people are stupid and want something unchallenging.

music should not be challenging to understand. the best music (in my opinion (as i am required to say)) is instantly recognizable as intelligently melodic.
the best music (in my opinion) seems like it was "discovered" rather than "invented".

the best music (ffs "in my opinion") is music that seems to be obviously discoverable by anyone, yet it was only discovered by one person who penned the manuscript that assembled it for delivery to the listeners.

music that is "invented" is only understandable if one is acquainted with the mindset of it's composer, and without that acquaintance, invented music sounds like a feeble attempt to artificially sew musical notes into crudely woven semblances that are merely ornaments in a vestibule that houses onlyt the hallmarks of the composer's unknown and uncared about personality...in my opinion

music that is "discovered" is a truly new flavor, and it could never be invented because reality is infinitely more powerful than imagination.

i like the songs that i like far more than i dislike any criticism of my taste.