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15 Jan 2013, 5:29 pm

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Polyrhythms and progressive technical wankery simply can’t take the place of actual substance, atmosphere and emotion. I don’t like any of the stuff I’ve heard, not even the Meshuggah albums I have that are so highly appraised by some.

THAT'S the problem. You are only listening to Meshuggah and their endless amounts of clones. Djent is just like any trend...mostly poser bands. However, if you dig for the good 'uns, they're pretty damn good, mostly instrumental bands.

Not this "poser" bullcrap, seriously. A band is never "poser" they play the kind of music that they like, and that's it.

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15 Jan 2013, 5:37 pm

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I don't know I actually enjoy quite a few bands from just about every genre of metal....but I don't count christian metal since most bands of that title don't even sound like metal they sound like hard rock bands that are really over the top about being 'christains' so yeah I don't really like it. Then of coure I don't consider deathcore, metalcore or anything with core after it as metal either I could say those are metal influenced genres I don't particularly like.

Christian Metal isn't a genre, it's normal Metal with Christian themed lyrics that has a lower quality standard because it's being targeted at a niche demographic. Thus it tends to have lower quality, but not always.

I am just confused where any metal comes into christan metal at all, I've heard 'christian metal' and none of it I've heard sounds like metal. Its not nessisarily lower quality just doesn't seem to be metal and much of it in my opinion is kind of horrible. Sounds more like metalcore or hard rock with christian themed lyrics.

That's because most Christian Metal IS either Metalcore or Glam Metal (which is really just riffier Hard Rock). That's because Christian Metal usually just imitates whatever was popular at the time.

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15 Jan 2013, 5:51 pm

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That's because most Christian Metal IS either Metalcore or Glam Metal (which is really just riffier Hard Rock). That's because Christian Metal usually just imitates whatever was popular at the time.

Antestor - Black Metal
Crimson Moonlight - Black metal
Drottnar - Symphonic Black Metal
Holy Blood - Folk Metal
Mortification - Death Metal
Sacrificium - Power/Heavy Metal
Tourniquet - Thrash Metal
Living Sacrifice - Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Groove Metal, Metalcore and various things around their discography
Aeturnus - Thrash/Death Metal
Divulgence - Death/Thrash/Black Metal
Crimson Thorn - Death Metal
Lament - Death Metal (early), Power Metal (later)
Horde - Black Metal
Oskord - Folk/Symphonic/Black Metal
P.O.D. - Alternative Metal
Skillet - Different genres of metal ranging from Alternative Metal to Nu Metal to Industrial Metal
Petra - Hard Rock
Encryptor - Brutal Death Metal
SorrowStorm - Black Metal
Winter's Dawn - Black Metal
We As Human - Nu Metal
Deliverance - Thrash Metal
Barren Cross - Traditional Heavy Metal
Becoming the Archetype - Progressive Death Metal
Mortal Treason - Melodic Death Metal/Deathcore
Sacrificium - Death Metal
Theocracy - Power/Progressive Metal
Holy Soldier - Traditional Heavy Metal
Guardian - Heavy/Power Metal
Frost Like Ashes - Black Metal

There's a LOAD of Christian metal bands that aren't core, plus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch ... etal_bands

And go look on metalhelm, there are tons more there. Check out Christian metal communities. Saying that the majority are core and glam metal is a pretty uninformed statement.

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15 Jan 2013, 6:25 pm

I never use the term "poser" like a loose cannon. It is just true in this case...most bands entirely steal from Periphery/Meshuggah in the genre without making it their own style...the 10% that don't are awesome though, since they're improving on a cool polyrhythm style.

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15 Jan 2013, 6:26 pm

I really don't have a 'worst genre' category. I enjoy all types of metal and many different bands. I guess I'm the odd one out?

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15 Jan 2013, 6:28 pm

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So these other bands, the ones you listed, don’t emphasize aspects such as a progressive focus on technicality and polyrhythms???
I already know of a good handful of ‘djent’ artists and know that this genre stems from and focuses on types of characteristics I don’t particularly like.

I see you don’t like black metal. Have you looked much deeper underground than the Mayhems, the Darkthrones, the Burzums, or the Marduks?? Why would you if you didn't enjoy these more mainstream releases and knew what black metal was.
I know if I didn’t like the traits of these bands most well known releases I wouldn’t have heard the greatness of Abigor or Darkspace or Necromantia or many other underground bm gems. If my friend doesn't like Immortal I'm not going to recommend he dig up some Torgeist.
The same goes for ‘djent’, I don’t like the stuff I’ve heard, I think I've heard enough and don’t care to waste any more time on it.
Looking at your last fm page I see we may not see eye to eye a lot of the times concerning what constitutes ‘good metal’ so perhaps we just have to agree to disagree.

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15 Jan 2013, 6:39 pm

Because of this thread, I just listened to two Spiralmountain tracks on YT. They're pretty impressive musicians. Their music reminds me a little of Transatlantic, the prog-rock band with members Neal Morse and Mike Portnoy. Glad there weren't vocals to ruin it.

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15 Jan 2013, 6:47 pm

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All one guy! Amazing, eh?

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15 Jan 2013, 6:55 pm

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Oh, the bands I listed are very heavy and focus on technicality in polyrhythms alright. They just add their own influences to the style. What characteristics are you referring to?

There was one time I listened to Ihsahn's After but even then I didn't like the screeches. If he did all singing though...that'd be phenomenal. He'd probably be great in a better genre. Burzum, Mayhem and Venom made me ears bleed metaphorically, however. The insane amount of rawness they want also often detracts for me...I am unlike many where I like early 2000s alternative metal and current British metal style production over any other form.

Interesting you mention Immortal...they are one of few listenable black metal bands for me.

And agree to disagree or not, I've refined my library a lot. Used to listen to waaay too many bands.

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15 Jan 2013, 8:10 pm

All this heavy, complex, poly rhythmic stuff has to come from somewhere. And now, the blame: Rush - Natural Science

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15 Jan 2013, 8:51 pm

Hell yeah, Natural Science is awesome.

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15 Jan 2013, 9:59 pm

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That's because most Christian Metal IS either Metalcore or Glam Metal (which is really just riffier Hard Rock). That's because Christian Metal usually just imitates whatever was popular at the time.

Well there is an unusually high amount of Christian Metalcore bands, and what is notable about the Christian Metalcore bands is they are as popular as the secular ones. This is probably because Metalcore originally came out of the Straight Edge scene, which is attractive to Christians.

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15 Jan 2013, 10:15 pm

Straight edge is actually a good philosophy...if emos didn't ruin the XXX thing I would use it since I'm anti-drug.

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16 Jan 2013, 3:53 am

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I don't mind most black metal, the likes of Emperor, Satyricon and some early early Dimmu Borgir are decent enough, but people will always complain about the sub-genre's production. Venom never kept a consistent tempo, but Welcome To Hell and Black Metal are classics in the metal world.

Plus, Meshuggah are being plagiarised a lot by djent bands these days.

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16 Jan 2013, 10:51 am

To be honest I found some of the Meshuggah-clones to be better sounding than Meshuggah themselves.

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16 Jan 2013, 12:48 pm

Agreed, but they're still clones, much like "cyber metal", which is a BS term for fear factory clones. I would never be able to be entirely derivitive of one band.

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