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15 May 2013, 5:50 am

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Music has always been in evolution. I think we're at a point where it is unclear where the next phase of evolution will come from. What's clear is that something's going to overthrow rock music, if it hasn't been the case already.

These days, there is no shame among "hip" people in admitting you like pop music. The shame these days is admitting you like the "dinosaur" rock music of your father. Among music elitists, there seems to have been a lot of talk about destroying the rock canon and replacing it with a more inclusive, "poptimistic" canon. Within the 2000s, we saw rock throw its fists in the air for its last hurrah, and I think the 2010s will be marked by rock music becoming a niche, underground genre.

I know about indie music, so I can use indie music as a microcosm of what's happening. When I started college in 2008, it seemed most of the Pitchfork-style buzz bands were still rock bands in scraggly beards playing loopy guitar riffs. Pitchfork hyped some electronic stuff like LCD Soundsystem and Justice but in the end those bands use rock building blocks and are very album-based. Between 2008 and 2011, when I graduated, there seemed to be a linear decline in that kind of rock music, and Pitchfork-type hipsters went on to hype chart pop, indie hip hop, and electronic music. At my university's radio station it was the same -- by the time I graduated I was apparently the go-to person for rock music in general since nobody else seemingly listened to much of it anymore.

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The weird thing about current music is there's no rebellion in it. The 60s had Jimi Hendrix and The Doors, the 80s had punk, the 90s had "conscious" rap and grunge, late 90s/early 2000s had rave music which was more rebellious than people realize, but today's youth don't seem to be rebelling against anything. You'd think that they'd be in full blown rebellion against the system which screwed them, but they're not. Today's youth seem to be narcissists, totally wrapped up in materialism and slaves to technology.


This is very true. There seemed to be a little uptick in political music in the late 2000s, but it was like a blip on the radar. It's like we've admitted to ourselves that the purpose of music is escapism, and we're going to use music merely as a vehicle to escape what's around us. We seem to think we've seen everything and everything's been done before.

I mean, music doesn't need to have a message, or be deep -- this is one of those rockist mantras I don't necessarily subscribe to -- but music as pure escapism is tough for me to accept as a future.



Actually one of the most popular forms of music right now is a form of rock, Indie Rock, and it's popularity also proves a bit of backlash against Pop music. Liking Rock is still cool from what I've seen. Pop music has always been popular, that's why it's called Pop. The difference isn't so much that Indie is dying as much as Pop is now modeling itself of off Indie Rock. It seems your view is based more of the crowd that you are with than music as a whole. If anything Pop is going to finally die out because the internet is providing alternatives and the industry is grasping at straws to hold itself together. Rock is not dying, if it is it's been dying for the last 20 years.


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15 May 2013, 10:41 am

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I just pray that it doesn't end up going further into electronics and autotune, essentially taking the musician out of music. I see music progressively becoming more superficial and generic and I really hope that we break out of that trend soon.
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15 May 2013, 10:46 am

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Today's youth seem to be narcissists
Sorry but that's an old stereotype. Literally every generation has called the generation after them narcissistic.

Good article on the matter.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... kIs.reddit



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15 May 2013, 3:15 pm

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Like a G6 actually has a pretty nice beat. I could do without the lyrics though. The breathy female vocalist on the "chorus" (such as it is) reminds me sort of like a cheap version of that woman whose name I can't remember who did vocals for the 80s synthpop band Berlin.

The weird thing about current music is there's no rebellion in it. The 60s had Jimi Hendrix and The Doors, the 80s had punk, the 90s had "conscious" rap and grunge, late 90s/early 2000s had rave music which was more rebellious than people realize, but today's youth don't seem to be rebelling against anything. You'd think that they'd be in full blown rebellion against the system which screwed them, but they're not. Today's youth seem to be narcissists, totally wrapped up in materialism and slaves to technology.

Gen X had the cyberpunk movement that tried to use technology in unapproved and system-screwing ways, but today the youth use technology to bully and toot their own horns. Today, people associate hacking with stealing money, when the original hackers simply wanted to liberate information. Read the Hacker Ethic, that was the original goal of the hackers, but nowadays hacking is all about identity theft and stealing money and the Chinese collecting intel for cyberwar. It's really sad.

Maybe the generation that follows the Millenials, sometimes called "Gen Z" (they are still little kids, so they haven't named themselves yet), will rise up and battle the system. The Millenials grew up in a debt bubble and they thought the good life could be had without effort, since the bubble gave the false appearance of wealth.

I'm right on the border between Gen-X and Millenials. I think I identify more with Gen-X though. I like "indie" music from the 90s that I discovered in the early 2000s. I like Modest Mouse from that era.



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15 May 2013, 3:25 pm

I am a millenial. I listen to music from my parent's generation. I am not proud of that.


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15 May 2013, 3:28 pm

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pezar wrote:
Today's youth seem to be narcissists
Sorry but that's an old stereotype. Literally every generation has called the generation after them narcissistic.

Good article on the matter.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... kIs.reddit


Millennial are called narcissists primarily because they take pictures of themselves with their phones and webcams and constantly broadcast themselves over the internet. I also think so much convenient technology makes people less patient. It makes people want everything RIGHT NOW. The world has gotten faster paced and more superficial. If older generations grew up in the same conditions they would probably behave exactly the same. A positive thing is millenials overall seem more informed and less accepting of pointless BS than past generations, at least the more intelligent ones are that way.



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16 May 2013, 12:33 am

I'm an old millennial, my siblings are Xers. I have hope for music and humanity.

I may be narcissistic but I'm honest about it.

We are creating the new global market... on the internet... sell your self now!

Good new music is getting weird. I'm loving it.

Indie noise rock and Electro-acoustic music is where its at.

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04 Apr 2016, 5:54 pm

Music has evolved, both multi nationally, and on the economic stock exchange.



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04 Apr 2016, 6:09 pm

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I just pray that it doesn't end up going further into electronics and autotune, essentially taking the musician out of music. I see music progressively becoming more superficial and generic and I really hope that we break out of that trend soon.
This.



Electronic music takes a lot of skill. I don't think the normal lay person could create an impressive electronic track.


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05 Apr 2016, 8:18 am

Yes, learning mixing and mastering and synthesis takes years and years of hardwork and dedication to be even half-decent.

Some electronic music, however, is very easy to make.

The genre known as 'Big Room House' is notoriously known for being generic, uncreative, simplistic, and having very poor sound design and production quality.

Most of the sounds used are typically poorly made samples or presets. It is the biggest victim of the loudness wars.

I decided to make a '5 minute big room house challenge' youtube video here, the part where you can hear the full chorus is at 5:17:



HERE is the song I was trying to re-create, the part I re-created is at 3:45:



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05 Apr 2016, 8:19 am

I do like some big room house song, even that particular song I listed, but still admit it's very easy to make.



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05 Apr 2016, 10:40 am

Stargazer43 wrote:
I just pray that it doesn't end up going further into electronics and autotune, essentially taking the musician out of music. I see music progressively becoming more superficial and generic and I really hope that we break out of that trend soon.

Who cares about popular music anymore anyways.



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05 Apr 2016, 11:58 am

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I'm actually surprised rap lasted this long. I thought it was just a gimmick because there were no musicians involved. Coulda fooled me! I also never thought I'd see DJ's become like rockstars with huge adoring crowds. They're not even musicians! I guess since music reflects the times, electronic music will be around forever. Some will be uptempo dance, some atmospheric chill. I guess rap will be around for a while too because it's where we are as a culture. Hopefully, rock will come back with a vengeance.



Rock didn't go away, and metal has been and still is continuing with a vengeance...the trouble is its doesn't get as much media exposure as all the current pop music including rap/hip-hop, the worst of the electronic music, dub-step and any popular female singers that use autotune and have no band like whatever your current I couldn't say which one is big right now. But yeah there is loads of metal and rock music, still going you just have to dig around a little bit.

Also though some electronic sort of music does have influence of the past, Pink Floyd was one of the first bands to use pre-recorded samples of varying sounds and such in their music I believe. I myself like some electronic stuff but I am a bit picky about it.


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05 Apr 2016, 12:07 pm

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today's youth don't seem to be rebelling against anything. You'd think that they'd be in full blown rebellion against the system which screwed them, but they're not.

We're rebelling against the idea that we should be rebelling! :wink:


My state is rebelling against federal law by having marijuana legal...it only became legal because of people breaking the law to smoke and then grouping together to petition to legalize it.


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05 Apr 2016, 12:14 pm

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I am a millenial. I listen to music from my parent's generation. I am not proud of that.


As if there is something wrong with listening to older music from your parents generation. I do that plenty, but I also listen to a lot of new music a majority of it being metal. Certainly not something to be ashamed of.


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07 Apr 2016, 10:50 pm

what is old eventually is sorta new again, but only to a point.