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14 Mar 2020, 8:54 pm

Fair enough, I still enjoy all of those.
Actually, I just recovered a lot of my old music collection recently and I've been going through a lot of it looking for stuff to sample. :nerdy:


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14 Mar 2020, 9:06 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ just listened to both of them back to back*: I must’ve been thinking of something else...
...sure I’ve heard that RATM riff somewhere else in something older: but it’s gone! :P
Not that it matters.


*This was quite a trial: I can’t abide rapping (the human voice at that speed with that many plosives... ouch! My head, my head 8O ). Kashmir I’ve always found tedious in the extreme.


For what it's worth, most rappers (whether in hip-hop or in other genres) don't really go much faster than conversational speed, but there's something about sentences with a lot of the same syllables repeated that tricks our brains. I'm not an expert, but I believe this is related to the phenomenon that occurs when we hear a phrase repeated and perceive it as music due to repetition. I started enjoying hip-hop a lot more once I had picked up enough of the vocabulary to make sense of it and catch the wordplays, similes, etc.


I don't really dislike rap at all, I mean I have heard some I like...mostly I just find a lot of lyrical content unappealing, but it could be worth maybe digging around some to find stuff with lyrical content I like more. Just seems a lot of the popular stuff is kinda demeaning...like idk people can be b*tches but its hard to listen to something if it is constantly referring to women as b*tches and other not so nice terms. I mean I kind of like eminem but even he I think goes a little to far with that in some songs. Also I do get uncomfortable in songs that say the n-word even if its the spelling with the a at the end, I realize for some black rappers they feel they are taking the word back(but have also heard not everyone in the black community even thinks its the right approach) but either way its hard to hear.

But anyways, I prefer stuff that is more kinda fun or satirical or is kind of actually talking about issues in the world or mayb tells a bit of a story. IDK I don't hate the style just don't hear a lot in the rap/hip hop style I really like.


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14 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm

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I don't really dislike rap at all, I mean I have heard some I like...mostly I just find a lot of lyrical content unappealing, but it could be worth maybe digging around some to find stuff with lyrical content I like more. Just seems a lot of the popular stuff is kinda demeaning...like idk people can be b*tches but its hard to listen to something if it is constantly referring to women as b*tches and other not so nice terms. I mean I kind of like eminem but even he I think goes a little to far with that in some songs. Also I do get uncomfortable in songs that say the n-word even if its the spelling with the a at the end, I realize for some black rappers they feel they are taking the word back(but have also heard not everyone in the black community even thinks its the right approach) but either way its hard to hear.

But anyways, I prefer stuff that is more kinda fun or satirical or is kind of actually talking about issues in the world or mayb tells a bit of a story. IDK I don't hate the style just don't hear a lot in the rap/hip hop style I really like.


To be fair, while I won't make assumptions about your situation growing up, I find a lot of the judgments aimed towards some of the lyrical content of some hip-hop seems to be more about people who haven't had those sorts of experiences taking offence to hearing people from dysfunctional, often disadvantaged backgrounds discussing their formative experiences. Considering I also listen to slam and other death metal subgenres that are often far worse in terms of misogyny, hearing drug dealers talk about what addicts will do for some product seems kind of tame by comparison. Everyone has their boundaries when it comes to transgressive art and I don't assume that you're motivated by classist or racist consideration even if some people who make those sorts of criticisms are. Even a lot of the criticisms of using n***a self-referentially comes from a classist mindset; Bill Cosby's hostility towards ghetto culture isn't very different from middle-class whites who express hostility towards less well off people they label as white trash/rednecks/etc and characterize as crass and boorish.

I'm curious how common that cringe you describe over that word is a factor in limiting penetration into some markets. The taboo around it seems to give the word an undeserved over-importance, brief immersion around people who use it kills that pretty quickly. Like any other taboo word it's exciting to say the first few times, I'm sure that's part of the reason young reichwingers always try to pick it as an issue to insist treats them unfairly, but then it's just another word. In the context of hip-hop slang it's an especially useful one, it can mean your friends, men in general, people in general, black people specifically, it can be a term of endearment, neutral or mildly insulting (but never as insulting as when used outside of that context), etc. The people who use it in lyrics don't share your hangups, so why impose them?

I've also gotta concede I don't really pay attention to big name artists, I mostly listen to horrorcore and less commercial stuff, so it's either similar content to death metal lyrically or it's about trapping. When I say it's about trapping, that doesn't mean it's the genre trap, I'm not big on trap music. Lots of trapping/mafioso/gangsta s**t tells stories; Griselda artists Benny The Butcher, Westside Gunn and Conway are all good storytellers who tell interesting stories about selling on Montana Ave in Buffalo.

Cage and R.A the Rugged Man are both horrorcore artists who are good at storytelling, they also established the blueprint that Eminem later got very wealthy from.


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15 Mar 2020, 7:14 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Fair enough, I still enjoy all of those.
Actually, I just recovered a lot of my old music collection recently and I've been going through a lot of it looking for stuff to sample. :nerdy:


That sounds like fun! :D

I cannibalised all my attempts a writing metal riffs and re-used all that I could as motives for writing classical phrase & period form melodies.
Marvellous how flexible musical ideas are across genres once you’ve got a little theory behind you isn’t it? :D



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16 Mar 2020, 4:43 am

funeralxempire wrote:
I really have no issue with borrowing elements of other folks compositions, remember that I make shedloads of music made entirely out of samples. What I do have a problem with is not being open and honest about what you've borrowed or stolen, compounded by it being blatantly obvious. The other factor is that Led Zeppelin haven't always been so good about letting other artists do the same with their work as they've done with others. What's good for the goose is good for the gander; since Zeppelin stole from other artists regularly they never should have complained about the Beastie Boys sampling When The Levee Breaks to make Rhymin' and Stealin'.
This is the same as how Walt Disney petitioned congress to have copyrights never expire when Disney's most famous & iconic cartoon Mickey Mouse was something that Walt himself had taken from someone else who's copyrights did expire. Everybody wants to make money without spending any.


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