Most Difficult Book You've Ever Read?

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11 Mar 2008, 5:35 pm

Readers' Indigestion topic

I. Kant--very Kantegorical, anal, full of syn. Took me months to figure it out. I am a visual reader, and only of average ability, so it took longer. Years ago there was no internet to get other interpretations. We had Coles notes and few books written on how to understand him. I nit picked all 800 pages. Lately they have other learning sources such as Kant for Dummies. Now you can read a one sentence sum-up to get the gist, from WIKI. A real Brain gym, this guy. Full throttle workout.(':tired:')

I could name a dozen philosophers that are even more nebulous in the writing style of their thoughts. (':tired:')


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11 Mar 2008, 5:37 pm

ebec11 wrote:
None, as my reading skills are above most peoples. I don't really like reading Shakespeare because of the language barrier and I don't read classics much because I struggle to focus on them. (I'm only 16, so I'm allowed to feel that way for a couple more years :lol:)
But I read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows in 3 3/4 hours, so really I'm a good reader. I do like 15-18th century poetry, so it not the language. I guess I just don't like Emma by Jane Austin or A Midsummer Night's Dream much :P


about the harry potter part, speed reading and photographic memory for the win!
(it took me 5 hours, but whatever)



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11 Mar 2008, 5:40 pm

Meh, I couldn't speed read if my life depended on it...


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11 Mar 2008, 6:02 pm

The Deathly Hallows took me about ten hours. Speed reading isn't my bag.



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11 Mar 2008, 6:09 pm

Feersum Endjinn by Ian M. Banks. I find Banks' work incomprehensible at the best of times, but Bascule's phonetic speech drove me half mad with frustration.

Example from the wikipedia article:

'Woak up. Got dresd. Had brekfast. Spoke wif Ergates thi ant who sed itz juss been wurk wurk wurk 4 u lately master Bascule, Y dont u ½ a holiday? & I agreed & that woz how we decided we otter go 2 c Mr Zoliparia in thi I-ball ov thi gargoyle Rosbrith.'

Imagine entire chapters of that. 8O


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11 Mar 2008, 6:18 pm

You should read The Bridge (under the plain old Iain Banks name). I remember flicking Feersum Endjinn and thinking he pretty much did that style over again. (Partly as a consequence of that, I never did read Feersum Endjinn)



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11 Mar 2008, 6:19 pm

Incidentally I don't find Banks that difficult but The Bridge is probably his most "out there" novel, at least among those he actually got published.



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11 Mar 2008, 6:25 pm

Aridarr wrote:
Feersum Endjinn by Ian M. Banks. I find Banks' work incomprehensible at the best of times, but Bascule's phonetic speech drove me half mad with frustration.

Example from the wikipedia article:

'Woak up. Got dresd. Had brekfast. Spoke wif Ergates thi ant who sed itz juss been wurk wurk wurk 4 u lately master Bascule, Y dont u ½ a holiday? & I agreed & that woz how we decided we otter go 2 c Mr Zoliparia in thi I-ball ov thi gargoyle Rosbrith.'

Imagine entire chapters of that. 8O


must... buy... Feersum... Endjinn... it just sounds so cool and different XD



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11 Mar 2008, 7:16 pm

Hey Odarp, check out

- The Wasp Factory
- The Bridge
- Use of Weapons



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11 Mar 2008, 7:44 pm

Has anyone read Joyce's Ulysses?

A while ago I wanted to give it a try. Never got round to it though.


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11 Mar 2008, 7:56 pm

The first couple of chapters of Ulysses I found fine, and beautifully-written, but after that it became impenetrable. I aim to get through it eventually, especially considering how much I like Joyce's style, but my telling people I am reading Ulysses these days is code for saying I'm not reading anything at all.

I read The Sound and the Fury earlier, and as people who read it would know it's divided into four parts. The first two I read over four weeks, the last two over four hours. Though I still didn't find it as difficult as I find Ulysses right now, especially given Joyce's odd tendency to slip into different languages.



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11 Mar 2008, 8:26 pm

Hector wrote:
Hey Odarp, check out

- The Wasp Factory
- The Bridge
- Use of Weapons


thx! i will! ill just need my mom to go over many bookstores to find them in english (i live in mexico, but i like to read things in the language they were written)



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11 Mar 2008, 8:34 pm

One thing I've heard about Kant is that many German philosophy students buy the English translations because they find them easier to read than Kant's original (German) text.



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11 Mar 2008, 8:35 pm

Hector wrote:
One thing I've heard about Kant is that many German philosophy students buy the English translations because they find them easier to read than Kant's original (German) text.


Wow. 8O


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11 Mar 2008, 8:49 pm

Hector wrote:
One thing I've heard about Kant is that many German philosophy students buy the English translations because they find them easier to read than Kant's original (German) text.


My interpretation of many 'difficult' philosophers is that they are abysmal writers. One of my big turn-offs in philosophy is how many philosophers simply massacre the language they write in. I practically wept out of pity for writing when I read John Rawls Political Liberalism.

"Everything that can be said can be said clearly." - Wittgenstein (yay for taking quotes out of context)


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11 Mar 2008, 9:05 pm

twoshots wrote:
My interpretation of many 'difficult' philosophers is that they are abysmal writers.


I think so too - either that or they think that archaic or excessively pedantic language, very long sentences and page long paragraphs mean big ideas.


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