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richardbenson
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I have wondered about this with autistic people. I think it has to do with our sensory/animal capacity...our hypersensitiivity.
Wow, I haven't really noticed that level of depth. I remember when younger hearing artists and critics always mentioning depth/soul, meaning etc. in artwork. They would read deep meaning and symbolism into everything, such that their descriptions reminded me of psychoanalysis. It seemed very nebulous to me; therefore, I thought that because I couldn't intentionally make my work deep/meaningful/symbolic, it wasn't any of these things.
My drawing/painting results from the way I see things in terms of amorphous shapes and tones, and spatial relationships, and this is a more basic level of processing; most people see in terms of higher order categories: so, where they see a smile, I see complex shapes and tones. In everyday life, I have to almost force myself to give such labels to objects and their constituents.
I'm working on another pastel one I might post.
He can be the bride.
I have wondered about this with autistic people. I think it has to do with our sensory/animal capacity...our hypersensitiivity.
Wow, I haven't really noticed that level of depth. I remember when younger hearing artists and critics always mentioning depth/soul, meaning etc. in artwork. They would read deep meaning and symbolism into everything, such that their descriptions reminded me of psychoanalysis. It seemed very nebulous to me; therefore, I thought that because I couldn't intentionally make my work deep/meaningful/symbolic, it wasn't any of these things.
My drawing/painting results from the way I see things in terms of amorphous shapes and tones, and spatial relationships, and this is a more basic level of processing; most people see in terms of higher order categories: so, where they see a smile, I see complex shapes and tones. In everyday life, I have to almost force myself to give such labels to objects and their constituents.
I'm working on another pastel one I might post.
He can be the bride.
Now OUtlier - that is what all brilliant artists do - we break it down.Of course one sees it in those systematic terms and then there is the sensory hypersensitivities and the visual acuity of autistics that leads to a greater range and depth when it comes to the capacity to shade, to tone, to use chromatics. We have to learn like everyone else, but there is the special "x" factor - the capacity to imbue one's feeling into one's work because of hypersensitivity. I talk about his in my interview with Greentea. It is all about a system. Read what I say about the distinction between intuition and feeling in relation to art practice in the greentea interview.
It is probably along the lines of what you are saying here. You see, art has nothing to do with anyone elese's feelings - it is more about imbuing a work wih your own. we can excel at that in a way others cannot. And I lknow as i teach private students.
computerlove as a bride? One look at the random pics thread and i get the feeling he would enjoy the delights of babewatching more than actually being one.
Yes, that's what I didn't add; that other artists do/can break it down, but it doesn't come as naturally without the traits mentioned. This is also noticeable in the majority of people who take art classes; they struggle to see in the way I outlined and have to be continually reminded/taught. I've an example drawing or two from childhood I'll post later where I'm displaying the traits before I attend classes.
The hypersensitivity is so natural I don't realise that others don't experience things in such a way unless it's made very apparent. For example, when we're drawing the same thing, they won't naturally register the same level of detail. The senses probably absorb most of the same information, but the processing of it's very different.
Yes, I've read it; it's a very good interview. I've just thought of a couple of questions to ask and will post them in that thread.
I find it difficult to grasp how people can draw/paint intuitively. But I can easily grasp the way you describe your method in terms of systemising and analysing, because I do that myself.
That's what would confuse me when younger--that it seemed as though the critics were implying a work of art was produced for other people, not the artist, and that it had to satisfy stringent, but obscure, criteria to be accepted and considered art. That's why I thought I wouldn't make it as a career artist if I ever tried, because the establishment would be unlikely to accept work done purely for oneself. My brother found this to be so when he attended art college; he loathed the culture, thought it snooty, and felt very much an outsider.
This is largely why I lack confidence in my abilities. It extends to other arenas as well where I do things differently; there's always this implication (but sometimes it's explicit) that there's a correct way to do things and idiosyncratic methods are incorrect.
I know, but it was worth a shot.
Sorry to shock you CL. I'm very untraditional.
Age 12 (sketches in school exercise book)
Age 12 (dollshouse)
Age 14 (Our kitchenware. Probably around the time I was first taught shading.)
Age 14 (one of first art class homework exercises on shading--they made us use biro)
I used to have loads of life drawings and paintings done around age 15-18, but the school lost them after exams.
Yes, that's what I didn't add; that other artists do/can break it down, but it doesn't come as naturally without the traits mentioned. This is also noticeable in the majority of people who take art classes; they struggle to see in the way I outlined and have to be continually reminded/taught. I've an example drawing or two from childhood I'll post later where I'm displaying the traits before I attend classes.
The hypersensitivity is so natural I don't realise that others don't experience things in such a way unless it's made very apparent. For example, when we're drawing the same thing, they won't naturally register the same level of detail. The senses probably absorb most of the same information, but the processing of it's very different.
Yes, I've read it; it's a very good interview. I've just thought of a couple of questions to ask and will post them in that thread.
I find it difficult to grasp how people can draw/paint intuitively. But I can easily grasp the way you describe your method in terms of systemising and analysing, because I do that myself.
That's what would confuse me when younger--that it seemed as though the critics were implying a work of art was produced for other people, not the artist, and that it had to satisfy stringent, but obscure, criteria to be accepted and considered art. That's why I thought I wouldn't make it as a career artist if I ever tried, because the establishment would be unlikely to accept work done purely for oneself. My brother found this to be so when he attended art college; he loathed the culture, thought it snooty, and felt very much an outsider.
This is largely why I lack confidence in my abilities. It extends to other arenas as well where I do things differently; there's always this implication (but sometimes it's explicit) that there's a correct way to do things and idiosyncratic methods are incorrect.
I know, but it was worth a shot.
Sorry to shock you CL. I'm very untraditional.
Basically, critics are w*kers. Of course they are not going to "get" someone like you. Just do art and leave the show s**t aside.
The art scene is the same as the science scene you have mentioned. But there is one difference. At the end of our work, art becomes an immediately tangible commodity. I would no doubt fair better in my career if i did more than that and "got out there more and did the social things...but i cannot. I don't. what i do instead - because i am an ACE talker on my special interest - is give talks and interviews and stuff so i get known through that -without having to go and network and hobnob,which i cannot do very well without getting migraines, and sick and filled with a life of stress and self-doubt, worry and analysys paralysis. But if I am interviewed on radio one on one for an hour, i reach hundreds of thousands and i do not even have to know the people i reach. That is great for this autistic.
oh...there is another difference. People are more interested in the works than us. so they like to buy or purchase visual objects that make them feel good. Another bonus for us autistics as we do not have to deal with as much face to face stuff. One can live in one's studio and just work once one has found a few galleries.
I believe we need to break through to a spiritual realm that is about truly owning who we are and running with it. Glider18 says this in his "Wonderful World" Thread. How can we live peacefully and happily, be ourselves and make a bit of money without having to do the things that nearly kill us that everyone says is whoopee-doo to do?
I love the little 12 year old drawings. they are beautiful. Really beautiful. and the knife one too when you are a little older.
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EDIT: damn, can't find the bigger pic, will post later.
yeah, would be good to see.
squinty sister wendy cannot see it as it is the size of a frigging postage stamp!!
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As someone who has been drawing most of his life I don't find much interest in copying what I see. I very much admire the skill of fine drawing but I find it more interesting to lay down random patterns of color and form and then recognize out of my unconscious forms that then can be made more definite by eliminating extraneous pattern that detracts from what I see so that others can see what I see. One pattern can sometimes yield multiple images. Here is an example.
I call this "The Last Bird" and it shows a raven in the foreground and an old dying man in the upper right corner.
Using Photoshop I took the same pattern and produced this:
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This shows the head of a man with an intense glare.
Then I produced this with the same pattern:
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Which I call "Wild Horse" and shows a horses head
And finally, from the same random pattern:
Which is a head of someone looking into a bright light with a cat on his shoulder called "Fire Gazing with a Cat"
This technique permits you to explore your unconscious with images and it's a lot easier to recognize images than draw them from scratch.