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11 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6-KozGK3c[/youtube]



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11 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm

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11 Jun 2014, 7:46 pm

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Elgar's Sospiri with its delicate harp and lush strings just melted me into an emotional puddle. What a gorgeous tribute Elgar composed for his dear friend, the violinist William Reed. It's an absolute treasure. Elgar's friendships must have been so important to him. Art is one of the finest gifts a person can ever hope to receive in his or her life.


I didn't want to repost your whole post, but it was very interesting, thanks! Chou Chou, what a cute name!

I thought Chris A. did a great job reading it. I bet I've listened to it at least 100 times because sometimes when I get stressed at work I listen to it. When I was young, the first time I tried college was at The University of Houston where Barthelme was teaching. I had read some of his stuff but HATED HIM. H. A. T. E. D. ! !! ! HIM! Then I heard him give a reading of his own work and it all of a sudden I was able to understand the rhythms and nuances. As far as my appreciation of art is concerned, that was the defining life changing moment for me. Anyway, back to music...

I listened to most of this at work today. Ok, I really watched most of it, I kept meaning to just listen while I worked but it was addictive. I know some people consider him to be over rated, but his voice really just puts me in a trance. I also watched some stuff from The Three Tenors today and while I enjoy Domingo and Carrera (is that his name? I always think of the Seinfeld episode - he was "the other guy"). To me, whenever Pavarotti would open his mouth Domingo and Carrera would just fade away.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlueN2bVIu0[/youtube]



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11 Jun 2014, 8:38 pm

Pavarotti's not my favorite (more due to the type of operas he sings in than his ability), but he does do a mean Tosca:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-3jUWP6e8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mX7ugJ5NM8[/youtube]



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11 Jun 2014, 9:14 pm

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Pavarotti's not my favorite (more due to the type of operas he sings in than his ability), but he does do a mean Tosca:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-3jUWP6e8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mX7ugJ5NM8[/youtube]



Very poetic and tragic! Are operas in real language? I always thought they were kind of half whatever language they were supposed to be and half opera language. But if you understand Italian, you would know what he was singing?



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12 Jun 2014, 5:27 am

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Very poetic and tragic! Are operas in real language? I always thought they were kind of half whatever language they were supposed to be and half opera language. But if you understand Italian, you would know what he was singing?


LOL! Your post gave me a good chuckle. No, operas are not in "opera language", they're in actual languages! Tosca is in Italian, Wagner's operas are in German. See the link below for an opera in English by Purcell (it's a must-watch for any opera fan, and this version is set up like a movie too to make it more exciting). You'll notice though that even though it is in English, it can be difficult to understand a lot of the words due to how they sing them, so subtitles or the libretto are still good to have.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Idh9ySHa8



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12 Jun 2014, 3:46 pm

I speak opera language when I stub my toe really hard...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ_2XbwsRTY[/youtube]



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12 Jun 2014, 7:24 pm

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A lot of people have argued that there is a strong connection between classical music and heavy metal, and I think this is proof of that connection.


Here's one for you, 250 years before Ozzy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAOGduIFbg[/youtube]



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12 Jun 2014, 9:34 pm

I was thinking about the history of opera and art today. How, for instance, did some person at some time create the first opera? If he (or she) hadn't thought of it, would somebody else have? Or would we be without it? How many other arts are there to be discovered out there?

Anyway, I was trying to find a recording the first opera ever written, but apparently it's been lost. Here's what I found:

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The standard textbook answer is easy. The first opera was Daphne, first performed in 1598 during Carnival at the home of Jacopo Corsi (d.1604) in Florence, music by Corsi and Jacopo Peri (1561-1633), libretto by Ottavio Rinuccini (1562-1621). It is recognized as the first because it was the first of a series of similar pieces which established the form of early 17th century Italian opera, and all subsequent developments were based on that tradition. The score does not survive.

There were many precursors of opera, and you can define it to include or exclude any of them. Corsi, Peri, and Rinuccini were members of a group who believed that the dramas of Classical Greek Antiquity were sung rather than spoken. Medieval liturgical dramas started in about the 10th century. Hildegard von Bingen's 12th century Ordo virtutum can be staged, although we don't know whether it was. The same is true of the anonymous Play of Daniel, Play of Herod, and other liturgical plays from the early 13th century. Adam de la Halle's later 13th century Play of Robin & Marion has been called "suitable for staging," but whether it was intended for staging or ever actually staged we don't know. The early 14th century Roman de Fauvel is also considered by some to be suitable for staging, and a performance of the entire thing would be approximately as long as Wagner's entire Ring cycle! More immediate precursors were the 16th century Italian Intermedio, a madrigal entertainment given between the acts of a dramatic play, and the madrigal-comedy.

But if pride of place goes to a work that is first in a series that establishes an enduring tradition, then Daphne of 1598 is that work and leads in a straight line (well, actually pretty crooked) to Aida, La Boheme and Nixon in China. ---- http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/misc/opera.html


I did find these though. This is the first opera recording ever made (1889).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVLJ1KWFP8I[/youtube]

This is the first recording by a major opera star (1895).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoJWazcUlhY[/youtube]


Edit - the second one was apparently a hoax and was from the decade after (still pretty old)!



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13 Jun 2014, 5:23 pm

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I was thinking about the history of opera and art today. How, for instance, did some person at some time create the first opera? If he (or she) hadn't thought of it, would somebody else have? Or would we be without it? How many other arts are there to be discovered out there?

Anyway, I was trying to find a recording the first opera ever written, but apparently it's been lost. Here's what I found:


In many ways Claudio Monteverdi was the father of modern-day opera. He wrote something like 40 in his day (if my memory serves me), but all but 3 and a fragment from a fourth have since been lost. One of his major operas, L'Orfeo, was written in 1607, and is one of my all-time favorites. It is the earliest surviving opera that is still performed regularly today. He's actually one of my all-time favorite composers, he wrote mostly vocal music but it is very high quality stuff! He was an incredibly innovative composer in many respects. Opera was basically a way to combine theatre and music into a single form of art...back in those days going to these sorts of performances was like going to see a hot new Hollywood movie for us!

Here is a downright amazing performance of L'Orfeo:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ApwAKw5fc[/youtube]

And here is one of my favorite duets (actually scratch that, it IS my favorite...I probably posted this before), from his opera "L'incoronazione di Poppea". It even has subtitles, a rare find!:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJIJlGkUJw[/youtube]



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13 Jun 2014, 6:42 pm

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13 Jun 2014, 6:43 pm

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13 Jun 2014, 6:44 pm

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13 Jun 2014, 6:45 pm

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14 Jun 2014, 1:32 pm

Stargazer43 wrote:
Pavarotti's not my favorite (more due to the type of operas he sings in than his ability), but he does do a mean Tosca:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-3jUWP6e8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mX7ugJ5NM8[/youtube]


HI Stargazer, what do you mean by type of opera? I haven't been able to distinguish different types yet.



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14 Jun 2014, 1:37 pm

Love doesn't fare well in in operas! :D


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