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14 Jun 2014, 2:34 pm

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HI Stargazer, what do you mean by type of opera? I haven't been able to distinguish different types yet.


Pavarotti sings almost exclusively mid to late-Romantic Italian opera. I'm much more a fan of the Baroque style in opera, from composers like Monteverdi, Handel, Lully, Rameau, Gluck, and so on .See my previous post on Monteverdi/Purcell, you will hear a distinct difference in style. Even later on, I liked the direction that some of the German composers took in opera more than the Italian style.

I think that part of it is that a lot of the "opera hits" that you see performed so frequently just feel overdone. Speaking of which, have you noticed that any time someone sings opera on one of those talent shows, they ALWAYS sing "Nessun Dorma"? I mean, it's a good aria, but I almost can't even listen to it anymore without cringing lol.



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14 Jun 2014, 6:13 pm

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wozeree wrote:
HI Stargazer, what do you mean by type of opera? I haven't been able to distinguish different types yet.


Pavarotti sings almost exclusively mid to late-Romantic Italian opera. I'm much more a fan of the Baroque style in opera, from composers like Monteverdi, Handel, Lully, Rameau, Gluck, and so on .See my previous post on Monteverdi/Purcell, you will hear a distinct difference in style. Even later on, I liked the direction that some of the German composers took in opera more than the Italian style.

I think that part of it is that a lot of the "opera hits" that you see performed so frequently just feel overdone. Speaking of which, have you noticed that any time someone sings opera on one of those talent shows, they ALWAYS sing "Nessun Dorma"? I mean, it's a good aria, but I almost can't even listen to it anymore without cringing lol.


Well you've made me a Monteverdi fan! I have to listen for that difference, I think I know what you mean.
When I was buying my Met tickets I was surprised they had so many mainstream operas. Great for me, I've never seen them before, but how many times can you watch Carmen? (Or maybe the rotation of classics is so large that Carmen only comes around once in a while.) I kind of expected them to have a few operas not many people had heard of though, I guess they don't do that.

Nessun Dorma - I don't think I've ever watched one of those shows, but I can see why they pick that one. But yeah, once something becomes "the one everybody uses," it gets old.



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14 Jun 2014, 7:16 pm

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Well you've made me a Monteverdi fan! I have to listen for that difference, I think I know what you mean.
When I was buying my Met tickets I was surprised they had so many mainstream operas. Great for me, I've never seen them before, but how many times can you watch Carmen? (Or maybe the rotation of classics is so large that Carmen only comes around once in a while.) I kind of expected them to have a few operas not many people had heard of though, I guess they don't do that.

Nessun Dorma - I don't think I've ever watched one of those shows, but I can see why they pick that one. But yeah, once something becomes "the one everybody uses," it gets old.


Hurray, then my mission is accomplished!!

You are actually correct about the mainstream operas - most places that perform opera (at least in the U.S.) seem to rotate around between the top 20-30 and only very rarely perform anything outside of those. Pretty much everything you see is Verdi, Puccini, Rossini, Mozart, or one of the one-off operas like Pagliacci.

I've been wanting to attend an opera live for a few years (I've never seen a live performance of one), but every performance within 150 miles is just the same ones over and over (and I don't really have much interest in seeing those). If I could attend a performance of a Monteverdi or Handel opera, my life would be complete. I think that the reason they do that is because they are a business, so they have to make money...and I guess that the popular ones probably bring in more money than the lesser-known ones. The Met is one of the best places to see opera in the world though, so regardless of what is performed I am sure you will have a truly great time!


Here's another bit of Monteverdi! This is one of his non-operatic works. Try not to freak out when you first hear this guy sing haha, he's actually pretty amazing:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zob6aP80xcA[/youtube]



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15 Jun 2014, 2:36 pm

Maybe we should gather forces and put on a Monteverdi opera. THat would be cool. We could do it in an outside venue somewhere during the summer. OR we could do a series, THE OTHER OPERAS.

I finally found a pretty good speaker. Can use it with an alarm on my iPod so I can wake up to classical music. Weirdly, I couldn't get the CM station on my old alarm clock. I love other kinds of music too, but waking up to some stuff is too overwhelming for me. This is really nice.


Edit, I forgot to mention - his voice really was startling. I liked it though. Can a guy sing like that without "physical intervention"? THat was my first thought! Probably they can.



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15 Jun 2014, 7:08 pm

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Edit, I forgot to mention - his voice really was startling. I liked it though. Can a guy sing like that without "physical intervention"? THat was my first thought! Probably they can.


Hah! Back in the 1600's, they used to frequently use "physical intervention", as you call it, so that men could retain a higher-pitched voice in the hopes that they would become good singers later in life. The actual practice was frowned upon, but the talent was still used. Nowadays, we're not quite so barbaric...the male sopranos/countertenors don't have the same "physical intervention". It is pretty rare for men to be able to reach notes that high though. Here is a clip by one of the most famous countertenors (and my favorite) talking a bit about it...if you'll notice his speaking voice is actually fairly low pitched:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGtTLhuqy4Y[/youtube]



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15 Jun 2014, 10:30 pm

I love how when the video ends YouTube pops up all those recommendations because one of them was him singing. It's eerie, takes getting used to. He's funny though, seems like a nice pretty modest guy.

This is really pretty.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiAFl9u9Uk[/youtube]



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16 Jun 2014, 9:28 pm

Here is a bit of something I rather like. Hope it isn't a dupe... :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvpFU7KY7E[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2014, 1:25 am

KB8CWB wrote:
Here is a bit of something I rather like. Hope it isn't a dupe... :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvpFU7KY7E[/youtube]


I like that! Have to listen to the whole thing at work tomorrow. :D Thanks for trying to cheer me up!



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17 Jun 2014, 8:49 am

I wish Lurch, butler of the Addam's Family, would compose and perform a harpsichord symphony for me.



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17 Jun 2014, 11:46 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFKf07lIDw[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2014, 2:44 pm

KB8CWB, welcome to the thread! I will call you "KB" for short. : )

I know there are many lurkers who visit this thread because there's a high amount of views compared to posts. I wonder what they think about all the waltzes, operas, symphony movements and other music we've shared. Hopefully some new people will join in and share music. Don't be concerned about whether something has already been posted, or if what you're sharing is "classical," just post anything you like.

Listening to multiple versions of a composition isn't a bad thing, either. I've heard a great many different recordings of "Clair de Lune," and no matter how many times I hear it, it will always be one of my favorite compositions of all time. I love hearing new interpretations. Each performance is a unique expression of creative freedom. The personalities of the musicians shine through in their performances. An iconic example of a musician with a unique style is Glenn Gould. He's known to play piano pieces ridiculously fast, and has an odd habit of humming. Despite this, he's one of the greatest Bach interpreters of all time. It's the personality traits, quirks, styles and inventiveness that breathe new life into old compositions and entertain the audiences. "The Piano Guys" are a great example of modern musicians who've garnered a lot of attention with their crowd-pleasing style and enthusiasm for improvising on classic works.

I am going back and listening to everything that has ever been posted in this thread. I will (slowly) add some of my favorites to a youtube playlist. If you'd like to access that playlist, please find the link in my WP profile.



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17 Jun 2014, 3:14 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG-oyi5KfWk[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2014, 3:23 pm

Here's an amusing story about Mozart and one of his friends, the horn player Joseph Leutgeb. : )

"Mozart had a curious joking relationship with Leutgeb, seen for instance in the mocking comments he placed in Leutgeb's horn parts. K. 417 bears the mock dedication: "Wolfgang Amadé Mozart takes pity on Leutgeb, ass, ox, and simpleton, at Vienna, March 27, 1783". In one place he marks the orchestra part "Allegro" and the solo part "Adagio", perhaps mocking the tendency of horn notes to come in late, dragging the tempo. For another possible instance, see K. 412. The multicolored inks in K. 495 are often taken to be a kind of joke.

Letters from the end of Mozart's life suggest that Leutgeb didn't mind the teasing and that the two had a good friendship. A letter by Mozart of 6 June 1791 indicates that, while his wife Constanze was away, he stayed for several nights at Leutgeb's, "because I had discharged [the maid] Leonore and I would have been all alone at home, which would not have been pleasant." Later the same year, after the highly successful premiere of his opera The Magic Flute, Mozart repeatedly took friends and relatives to performances, and wrote in a letter (8?9 October) "Leutgeb begged me to take him a second time and I did so."

Leutgeb was most likely Mozart's favorite horn player, as a number of the composer's works were written for him. These include the Horn Concertos K. 417, K. 495 and K. 412/386b (514) and "probably" (New Grove) the Horn Quintet K. 407/386c."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhewhPaJX08[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2014, 5:05 pm

mezzanotte wrote:
KB8CWB, welcome to the thread! I will call you "KB" for short. : )

I know there are many lurkers who visit this thread because there's a high amount of views compared to posts. I wonder what they think about all the waltzes, operas, symphony movements and other music we've shared. Hopefully some new people will join in and share music. Don't be concerned about whether something has already been posted, or if what you're sharing is "classical," just post anything you like.


How can you tell how many views a thread has?

Anyways, more music time!! I've got some fairly well-known ones this time. First we have mr. Gorecki's third symphony. In my opinion it's the best work composed in the past 50 years, and is one of the few modernist pieces that I actually enjoy. The first movement is divine! I feel like I posted the second movement before in this thread, but with no "thread search" it's hard to go back and look lol!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pn_cVqGJQ[/youtube]

And oh, what else to post? Definitely time for more Mahler, but which Mahler?? I guess I'll post the Adagietto...it's one of his most famous pieces of music, and upon listening to it it's no surprise why.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjz2TvC2TT4[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2014, 5:18 pm

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How can you tell how many views a thread has?


Click on your username, then "find all posts by Stargazer43," and you will see the number of replies and views for the threads you post in.

It's currently at 301 replies and 5,364 views. 8O

I'm listening to the Gorecki symphony you posted right now. : )



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17 Jun 2014, 7:32 pm

mezzanotte wrote:
KB8CWB, welcome to the thread! I will call you "KB" for short. : )

I know there are many lurkers who visit this thread because there's a high amount of views compared to posts. I wonder what they think about all the waltzes, operas, symphony movements and other music we've shared. Hopefully some new people will join in and share music. Don't be concerned about whether something has already been posted, or if what you're sharing is "classical," just post anything you like.

Listening to multiple versions of a composition isn't a bad thing, either. I've heard a great many different recordings of "Clair de Lune," and no matter how many times I hear it, it will always be one of my favorite compositions of all time. I love hearing new interpretations. Each performance is a unique expression of creative freedom. The personalities of the musicians shine through in their performances. An iconic example of a musician with a unique style is Glenn Gould. He's known to play piano pieces ridiculously fast, and has an odd habit of humming. Despite this, he's one of the greatest Bach interpreters of all time. It's the personality traits, quirks, styles and inventiveness that breathe new life into old compositions and entertain the audiences. "The Piano Guys" are a great example of modern musicians who've garnered a lot of attention with their crowd-pleasing style and enthusiasm for improvising on classic works.

I am going back and listening to everything that has ever been posted in this thread. I will (slowly) add some of my favorites to a youtube playlist. If you'd like to access that playlist, please find the link in my WP profile.



I agree, the more the merrier. I think some of the views might be bots (according to what some mods have said), but I bet we have at least a few visitors though, shy ones! I agree that multiple versions are very interesting. I'd love to hear anything anyone has to post. This thread is one of my favorite things in life right now! :D