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20 Jul 2016, 12:49 pm

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Laptop speakers don't get all frequencies right and have built in EQs, therefore are not transparent...

Monitors are the best, since they cover not only both sides (like headphones) but also the center.

Interesting, what's the purpose of the built-in EQs? My brother's lenovo laptop seems to have a good range, I tested different basses and a 70Hz sine was fine on it.


Most listeners don't like a flat, monitor style reproduction, that's why most consumer grade speakers are designed to boost the low frequencies.

Different speakers are voiced differently for different tasks; a monitor, a guitar amp speaker and a hi-fi speaker all have very different EQ response curves.

Is it to do with size of speaker cones? My brothers laptop being the only exception ive had so far I think there's no need to boost low freqs on a laptop speaker because of the small size speaker cones.



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20 Jul 2016, 1:30 pm

If your Woofer ain't big enough you'll be missing ALOT of the low frequency nuances (such as bass, kick drum, etc)...

For example a phone's speaker is so small it sounds like it's gone thru a High Pass filter (basically a curve cutting out the low frequencies - it may sound like it's being recorded in a toilet). This "size" thing is due to low frequencies needing to vibrate at a much slower rate (basically pumping/breathing heavier - the back and forth motion of the cone).

I produce music so I like flat and must mix this way, in any way preset EQs obviously rarely do justice with a playback track/song...

The thing is songs are already mixed and mastered hence it's not actually flat at all as you may think and is already suited for every home user with a pair of standard industry monitors to listen.



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20 Jul 2016, 2:58 pm

I'm glad Taylor Swift is losing a lot of her fans. :lol:


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20 Jul 2016, 6:01 pm

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Laptop speakers don't get all frequencies right and have built in EQs, therefore are not transparent...

Monitors are the best, since they cover not only both sides (like headphones) but also the center.

Interesting, what's the purpose of the built-in EQs? My brother's lenovo laptop seems to have a good range, I tested different basses and a 70Hz sine was fine on it.


Most listeners don't like a flat, monitor style reproduction, that's why most consumer grade speakers are designed to boost the low frequencies.

Different speakers are voiced differently for different tasks; a monitor, a guitar amp speaker and a hi-fi speaker all have very different EQ response curves.

Is it to do with size of speaker cones? My brothers laptop being the only exception ive had so far I think there's no need to boost low freqs on a laptop speaker because of the small size speaker cones.


Size is part of it, but not all of it. Bass amps typically use smaller (10") speakers than most guitar amps (12"). A 12" guitar amp speaker is lacking both high-end and low-end in comparison to a 12" speaker for car audio, or for home hi-fi systems.

Small speakers for casual listening often boost part of the low end to compensate for the lack of even lower frequencies. Guitar speakers cut off loads of high-end because otherwise distorted guitars would sound shrill and buzzy, even high-end amps intended for very clean sounds (Roland's solid-state amps aimed at jazz players for example) cut quite a bit of high-end. I'd assume the voice coil plays at least as big of role as the speaker cone itself.

Having used a guitar amp with a number of different speakers in it, two speakers that are the same size and power handling limits, with the same sensitivity might be voiced very differently. I'm not sure what speaker is in my Bandit right now, but it's been installed into every amp I've owned so far since I love the voicing compared to every other speaker I've had in any amp I've owned.

I don't really understand what causes the difference in voicing between brands and models of speakers in that context, so I can't explain it better. I assume that the same differences would have an analogous impact on speakers for other purposes though.


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20 Jul 2016, 6:57 pm

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Certain types of music sound good on laptop speakers, particularly Big Black or Ministry's "The Land of Rape and Honey". Laptop speakers give them really harsh highs which add to their impact.

I think it varies with laptops. Mine has around the same treble as my headphones it's just low end which is inaudible. It does give mid-bass around 200-400Hz a nice 'pop' sound.

Low-end frequencies are pretty much imperceptible on my Thinkpad, but holy hell those highs... I know it's not the way music is meant to be listened to, but it is definitely a different experience.


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20 Jul 2016, 8:51 pm

Modern pop has WAY too much bass.


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21 Jul 2016, 12:27 pm

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Modern pop has WAY too much bass.

Unfortunately it's hard to make bass audible on most sound systems without approaching loudness-war levels. I like bass, but I think I see what you're getting at.


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21 Jul 2016, 12:37 pm

I'm just gonna put this out there, even though this is an "unpopular opinions" thread, it's perfectly OK to discuss people's opinions. It's also OK to post opinions that might not be so unpopular, because chances are they're still unpopular in some circle. A whole ton of people think that modern pop music is garbage, so if you like it, well in a way that's still an unpopular opinion. :P


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22 Jul 2016, 12:30 am

I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.



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22 Jul 2016, 12:38 am

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I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.

Part of the point of noise music is that it's hard to listen to. I even have trouble listening to it sometimes, though when I was a bit younger I adored Merzbow's "Venereology" album.


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23 Jul 2016, 4:09 pm

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I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.

The reason I don't like harsh noise is that it's not even hard to make at all. It does come off as pretentious.



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23 Jul 2016, 4:49 pm

I don't think disliking harsh noise is an unpopular opinion at all. It's literally the opposite of mainstream, accessible music. Is it pretentious though? Yes and no. Merzbow has released hundreds of albums over a span of about 40 years, with only a select few ever being really notable. I partly think he just does what he does because he likes it.


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24 Jul 2016, 3:04 pm

coleslaw wrote:
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I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.

The reason I don't like harsh noise is that it's not even hard to make at all. It does come off as pretentious.


That is an unpopular opinion and one I flatly can't stand. Oh my god this music is so easy to make. A child could make it. Not one iota of that is true. Stop. Also calling people who make harsh noise music pretentious makes me sick.


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24 Jul 2016, 3:05 pm

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I don't think disliking harsh noise is an unpopular opinion at all. It's literally the opposite of mainstream, accessible music. Is it pretentious though? Yes and no. Merzbow has released hundreds of albums over a span of about 40 years, with only a select few ever being really notable. I partly think he just does what he does because he likes it.


Yes why does anyone make music. Because they enjoy it.


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24 Jul 2016, 6:49 pm

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I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.

The reason I don't like harsh noise is that it's not even hard to make at all. It does come off as pretentious.


That is an unpopular opinion and one I flatly can't stand. Oh my god this music is so easy to make. A child could make it. Not one iota of that is true. Stop. Also calling people who make harsh noise music pretentious makes me sick.

"Stop" Yeah that's not how this thread works. Would you like to elaborate how it is not true and why calling it pretentious makes you sick? I am interested in your opinion. I will admit I generalised and overexaggerated, some of Merzbow's stuff I do like for example the song "im coming to the garden" from his Dharma album, and some songs off Pulse demon album. You can create many similar sounds just applying a load of distortion to samples and automating filters. I'm not saying that's how merzbow does it, but it is same result different method.



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24 Jul 2016, 9:23 pm

coleslaw wrote:
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I just don't like harsh noise music, which, while not popular, I know has a niche underground fanbase.

Whenever I try and say I dislike it, the fans try to tell me there's complex textures and melodies and such in there that I'll hear if I listen carefully.

Well, I just can't because it sounds far too abrasive to my ears.

The reason I don't like harsh noise is that it's not even hard to make at all. It does come off as pretentious.


I don't think that is really true, for instance harsh vocals certainly aren't easy to do from what I understand...its an art that has to be practiced.


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